Poshbot DHF Proposal

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@poshbot is a bot that monitors the Internet for Hive posts that are posted on social media sites. Right now it only supports Twitter with support for Reddit coming in the future. Posh stands for Proof of Sharing a term (and tag) that was originally thought up by @acidyo and OCD.

I am a firm believer in sharing Hive content on social media sites is critical for Hive's success and ability to grow.

To participate in OCD's #posh initiative, users were sharing their posts on Twitter and providing a link to the tweet on their posts. This process is tedious and needless, and one of the reasons I created @poshbot.

I believe this practice greatly increases how often users share their content outside of the Hive ecosystem.

@poshbot detects around 3,000-4,000 Hive related tweets a week on average and has directly encouraged a lot more #posh activity. It also detects tweets made on multiple front ends without the need for a hashtag.

@poshbot has been very well accepted and receives a ton of positive responses on a daily basis.

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In fact, some days I believe some users actually think @poshbot is a real user.

I have heard a handful of people call @poshbot comments "spam", specifically one well known person I won't name. While I respect that opinion and thankfully there is a mute button on Hive to not have look at them, 95%+ of the comments have been positive and I see @poshbot akin to "Twitter Comments on Hive" and hopefully soon Reddit.

@poshbot has been the main reason behind the rich Twitter embeds created by @quochuy and later added to Peakd. These rich embeds makes Hive more engaging, modern, and exciting.

Instead of this:

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We have:

These rich embeds can be clicked on to go directly to the tweet and can be embedded in both posts and comments. I would like to see the same functionality for Reddit links.

@poshbot typically picks up a tweet and leaves a comment within 1-5 seconds of a post. It is extremely quick and efficient despite being connected to Twitter's massive firehose feed.

It has been my goal to add similar support for Reddit and potentially other social media sites as well.

The goal of this proposal is to recover the time and resources used to develop, host, and maintain @poshbot's availability.

@poshbot has become a very popular service and has been very well accepted. The overwhelming majority of the ~2,000 replies to @poshbot have been positive.

With support for Reddit, I believe we will see more efforts to share Hive content on Reddit.

@poshbot has been in service for 6 months and was launched in September 2020 and has found over 78,000 Hive related tweets.

I am asking for 35 HBD/day for a trial period of 2 months. During this time I would work on adding support for monitoring Reddit's firehose and adding similar functionality to @poshbot as there is for Twitter. I also want to see if we can get rich Reddit embeds on Peakd and Condenser like we now have with Twitter.

For example:

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I have an existing issue to add this support to condenser and hopefully Peakd will pick it up from there as well.

UPDATE: Reddit Rich Embeds have been coded up and on Dev branch (Thanks @quochuy!!!) which will allow rich embeds for Poshbot Reddit comments.

Example:

If approved, a new proposal will be made near the end of this 2 month period for a lower 26 HBD/day every 12 months. This would be 25 HBD/day plus the 1 HBD fee for a proposal that is over 2 months.

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Minimize the spam. Content gets passed around once, and there's one notification placed conveniently under the post. Twice = two notifications and before you know it, there are ten instances or more of this message downvoted to the bottom of the comment section. That eyesore is unnecessary and if some form of content truly went viral as it's being passed around on multiple platforms, you'd see thousands of these notifications completely destroy that comment section, every few minutes.

One notification/message that's constantly updated/edited as things change, providing information and stats as they roll in, would suffice as a potential solution.

This boils down to tracking outside shares. Even the UI could be utilized, displaying these stats POSH detects, much like how we see a list of voters now.

Keeping these comment sections clean/free of nasty spam and robots ensures consumers on the outside are presented with something they might want to sign up to in order to engage and be a part of whatever it is they take an interest in, so it's important to keep the aisles free of debris and trip hazzards.

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I agree with this.

PoShbot is a lovely little tool - and deduplicating poshbot comment posts, but maybe keeping a 'mentions' or 'shared' count would be lovely. It'd maintain the tidy, modern look as usage scales if more folk start to share hive related tweets/redditposts

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I just remembered that the bot shows the actual tweet of the person sharing on Twitter. I don't think it tracks retweets, etc.

So, they are technically unique "comments". But, I get the appearance of being "spammy".

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Especially 'spammy' and mostly pointless when that POSH notification is the only comment under a post, and the author of said post is the one who Tweeted out the link to a viewership of none/very small outside following.

I see tremendous value though in having the ability to tap into sources providing details on outside reach; I think we should provide as many details as possible. Having that information close to home with easy push button access would be perfect. That information is precious. It's far more valuable than just, "Hey everyone! Look at me! I shared a link on Twitter! The masses will surely come now! We did it!"

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I recognize this guy, wassup man? Way to express the difference between spammy and promotion. What's good, anything? Do tell...

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Dude. Whaddup!

Much, good; or at least good enough. Can complain, but won't. The rest is a long story.

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They are not spam though, each one is a unique purposeful comment off chain brought to the chain. The poshbot comments are not just a comment "Joe blow tweeted this post", they are actually engaged comments left by someone, they are just off chain where no one can see them, poshbot brings them onchain so everyone can see them.

For example Dan's recent post had a lot of tweets, but each one is unique and offers as much value as native Hive comments.

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In theory, sure. In practice...

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I can't be bothered to snoop through all that and I assume if I did, I'd be met with something like:

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I picked from the top five trending and quickly found those two current examples. I don't see much value in seeing ads directing me to the content I'm already viewing, here. It's valuable to those on the outside and content reaching the outside is valuable to, all of us, if it's good and people take interest.

I suggest minimizing spam and part of the reason is, these days, I'll see a post, I'll see it has five comments early on, I'll click. Get to the comments and not one of them is an actual comment from a human. A POSH notification, an automated message from a curator, a thank you for using this community, an achievement earned, "You've earned Random Shit Token!" and twenty messages about getting one beer token, twenty times, etc. These things are building up and it all looks ridiculous. Attract outside eyes. It's so important. Keeping those eyes is more important. Someone entering to view content from the outside does not need to see ten more tweet ads about the post they're viewing, since the one that brought them here already did it's job, on the outside, where it's most beneficial.

Those stats though and having the ability to track some of these details in real time, now that's valuable. More often than not, today's content creator doesn't see these things. If a big name with a large following picks something up, word of mouth is how one finds out, after sitting there for a few hours wondering, "Where the fuck are all these views coming from?!?!"

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Everyone is a unique comment by a real person, more so than can be said about actual Hive comments in some cases.

If you open up each one of those hidden ones, they will all be unique comments by real people.

But you chose one extreme post from 3500 comments/week. Most posts only have one or two @poshbot comments at most. Even that being the case, these are still valuable off chain comments brought on chain.

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I didn't cherrypick those examples. Went to the trending page and took screenshots of the first two instances I found. Spent more time cropping than anything. What I saw was similar to what I've been seeing.

I can see those two 'unique' comments. When you read them, you can see why I called them advertisements. I most certainly don't use that term in a negative light either. I respect those efforts and have written about the importance of reaching an outside audience starting over four years ago. So this is progress and it's good progress. I don't like the spam. Nothing you say will change that so let's not argue and move on from there. I see potential and view this current method as only the building blocks to something much more beneficial; bigger and better. So I suggest these things. Not interested? That's cool with me. Didn't come here to shit on your plan or piss in your cornflakes. I just think it can be better.

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When post is shared 2nd (or 3rd, 4th...) time you should edit first comment and add a text link to twitter, this way poshbot will leave only one comment under every shared post and will link to all shares

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Pretty cool, stuff. I share 90% of my leofinance posts on Twitter thanks to the handy dandy pop-up giving me the option too :-)

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I love this, i have voted and hope to see this :)

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Voted, I honestly found out about POSH through a mention on a hive article for some of my tweets and then started to research what it was.

One thing I wonder though is once it gets Monetary value are we going to see people just spamming the hash tag in hope the bot picks up the post and rewards them? Or are there ways to combat this within the bot or maybe it's something we don't need to worry about.

Twitter and Reddit are hotspots right now for people interested in crypto. Facebook seems more older generation that likes traditionally things I don't see that being a good social network to tap into.

Other key social media areas could be
Youtube # a video for posh to find as that's becoming a hot bed for tapping in and teaching more people about crypto. It has a huge user base.

Anyways you have my vote, I like this project and think it's a great rewarding method to get people to post their articles in other places. It brings traffic to the platform and also brings awareness to the blockchain.

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Not sure whether I support the proposal. I'll need to think about it. On a more immediate front, does Poshbot need extra delegated Hive Power to support making that number of comments? I'll help there if need be.

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It should be good, I keep an eye on RC's and add Hive Power if need be. I delegated 20K+ at one point. It typically needs ~1,500-3,000 HP.

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I really like the work you do in our company. I have voted on your project. Successes

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Because this is such an awesome post, here is a BBH Tip for you. . Keep up the fantastic work

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So, basically, if "most" people like the automatic comments, it's not "spam".

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If they offer value they are not spam, the fact that 95%+ like them proves that they do.

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Ok, "popularity" = "value"

Zero "objective" rules or standards.

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I really like how Posh helps motivate me to share to a wider audience. I pretty regularly advertise all of my posts on Twitter now because of Posh. It is a really cool project. I will have to throw my vote in for it.

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But what about facebook ohhh and also instsgram i share not all cause im lazy but some to instagram stories now she thinks this may be more difficult

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Has this bot provided any value to hive? if so can it be measured to track it's impact?

If the answer to these questions is not positive then I will pass on supporting it.

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There has been increased sharing on third party social media sites increasing the exposure of Hive. There is no easy way to measure this.

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Front Ends could turn those comments into STATS or display them in some helpful and unique way... just sayin. If they aren't meant to be commented on or voted on then perhaps it's best that they take on some other form in the user experience.

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Each @poshbot comment is a unique tweet, a unique "Twitter comment" with their own message and as such offer their own value.

It isn't just "Joe blow tweeted this", it's actually an engaged interaction with the post, but off chain. Even in the case like Dan's post where there was a lot of tweets, they all are unique and offer value.

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Maybe each user can choose if he/she wants to see them. That's IMO the best way to go, few people can't chose what others like or don't like.

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Hey, Mr Garbage, hungry? Here is your dinner tonight. Enjoy!
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I have found this to be quite useful and do hope to see it pull from more social platforms.

It helps the content creator understand how their content is being shared with the outside world. Not everyone tags you when you do so or you have a different social handle across multiple platforms. This also allows the content creator or someone who reads comments the opportunity to engage with that Tweet as well if they like.

It can also help create some positive reinforcement that people are taking the time to share your content with their followers elsewhere.

I don’t feel like I have to both leave a comment and take the time to share something on say Twitter. I can just do one.

I could see one day people wanting an opt-out option or say a global blacklist that has “useful” bots in it. For now they can just use the mute button.

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I really respect the fact that you asked for a reasonable amount of money for a limited period of time. I believe that small is beautiful.

I also see the value added by this automation. I think a lot of people are still hugely salty about old flags on other users trying to use automation in creative or not creative ways, or other people may generally
be against 'bots'.

But to me, we need 1000 more 1000-2000 dollar projects like this to get funded. Short time frame, measure results, next proposal please.

Front end can also eat these comment inputs and display them differently, as stats, if they feel like it would increase their clients user experience.

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