How should LBI allocate it's hive-token content rewards?

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Authored by @silverstackeruk

Hello, LBIer's. This week we will give "Help a CUB" a break as it's still a work in progress and we wanna make sure it's done right this time around. Switching over from a signal vote plan to 8-week "contest" for new CUB's is taking more planning than I first thought. As we're planning for CUBs to have "sponsors" who will track the CUB's progress, I need to think of a way to make that process simple as well so a lot of stuff to think of and pre-prepare. Fun times...

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This week we focus on LBI and what we should do with our hive-engine wallet. To date, we have not invested in any hive-engine token the only earning's have come from content. I convert everything we get into HIVEp and we've collected up almost 800 HIVE so far. This is not a large sum but right now, it's dead money and it would be good to have a rough plan on how to allocate these funds every few months. I had planned to transfer it to the @lbi-token account and power it up to delegate to @leo.voter but the price of LEO is very cheap when priced in HIVE at the minute so maybe converting it to LEO and staking that could be a better long term option. Of course, it could be used to invest in some HE token that provides an income are even converted to off-platform. I leaning toward converting to LEO and staking up. Could LEO get cheaper if the price of HIVE increase's faster than the price of LEO, 100% but we can't fail by having more of our base asset.

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For the record, I sell every HE token we receive be it from content, airdrops, giveaways, whatever. With the expectation of a few, everything falls in value because there is no value and selling them when you get them is the most profitable thing to do long term. We're not here to FOMO and collect bags of crap. Whatever is hot crap today will be cold crap tomorrow plus there's no liquidity on HE for crap tokens.

With that said, I do like UTOPIS and we could buy 200-250 of those. UTOPIS is a token that's use's monies raised from issuing tokens to buy equipment and pay bills to mine ETH. Each week, the ETH is converted to HIVE and issued to UTOPIS token holders. The AYP has been a solid 60%+ from release around 9-12 weeks ago and it's doing exactly what it says on the tin.

It could be converted to off-platform very easily and dumped into some sort of stable token farming. 800 HIVE is worth around $350 and it could be a tester for a big investment in the future. We will soon need to consider a new investment to funnel CUB profits into and a stable token LP would be an ideal way to earn a low-risk return while also having a hedge investment against LEO. Yesterday's post goes into much more detail on stable token investing and the doors that defi farms/exchanges can open for us.

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As I see it, those are the best 4 options we have. From experience, liquidity on HE is a problem and owning more than $1000 of most tokens will take time to sell are crash the price. Im personally a liquidity whore and apart from powering up LEO and HIVE, I'd prefer instant access to funds. Having $10k worth of DEC is cool but could you sell it for $10k and how long would it take. I know that if I have $10k worth of HIVE, BTC, ETH, BNB, etc I can liquidate that in 2-3 transactions in 5-20 minutes. Paper assets/profits are great and make it look like you have more than you can actually access but I'd rather have liquidity because if you can't access your funds when you need to, are they good investments? We all know that timing and having access to capital is vital to growth. As an example, 55% of SPI could be liquidated within 2 hours, another 15-20% within a week and 13 weeks for the rest. I went off point a little,

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I would like some feedback from token holders to get a feel for what sort of thing people would be preferred. Our HE wallet will never be that big and it's taking over 20 weeks to earn 800 HIVE but it would be nice to get a feel so I know what's best to do with these fund very few months as they build. Which one do you think is best long term for LBI?

1- Power the HIVE up and delegate to leo.voter
2- Convert to LEO and power up to increase curation rewards
3- Buy UTOPIS and get some weekly HIVE div's coming in
4- Convert it to off-platform and use it as a stable LP tester investment

If you have any other idea's please drop them into the comments below. I personally would be happy to do any of these 4 things. If I had to put them in order, I'd prob go 2,1,4,3. What about you? This is not a vote are everything, more of an "id like your input" so I can decide what is best to do for us. I know people will suggest gaming but gaming is hard to value when reinvestments are required just to stay on par and earnings are reinvested into building more income. Earning 100% more of a gaming token each week is not good if the price of that gaming token has fallen 90%. I call this compounding a loss, your token balance increases each week but each week the bag is worthless $ and the $100 you earned 6 months ago is now worth $10. Of course, not true of all games.

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Oh, last minute. I just remembered Some people had suggested that LBI provide staking for its token, maybe something like 1 week as an added layer of security to buy time if someone's account is hacked and holdings are sold. This would cost 1000 BEE to set. I just remembered this last minute and is an option as well.

Anyways, thank you very much for reading through today's post. I look forward to the comments and suggestions people have to share.

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I'd go for 2, buy leo and power it up now that is cheap

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I have to back up my sugar daddy on this one :)

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I didn't know you two are in a "relationship" (shocked face).

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I'll say between 2 and 3 because it actually means Leo or hive will be bought and of course this would bring more value, as for Leo it will be locked, as for hive, it'll be bought using the UTOPIS route, anything that goes for Leo and hive.

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Looks like option 2 is the clear winner here. I like UTOPIS ut liquidity is always a problem.

Thank you for reading through the post and leaving some feedback.

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Definitely don't invest it into illiquid HE shitcoins that we'll never be able to cash out.

I vote for 2 - Converting to LEO and powering up to increase curation rewards.

It is the LEO backed investments fund after all :)

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2 is looking to be a popular option which is great cause that's the one i'd go for as well. I guess that just shows, we are all aiming for the same goal.

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Because LBI is focussed on Leo, I'd say option 2 is a good one. Especially now that the Leo price is so low.

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Agreed, I think I'll convert the hive later on today and get that LEO while it is cheap. Im still baffled as to why it's down so much compared to anything else but that's "crypto" I guess

Thanks for your feedback,

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Since LBI basic foundation is LEO , I will go for option 2 . The price is way too attractive so it is a good time to convert the Hive and other tokens to LEO and power it up .

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Option 2. Leo is cheap right now! Buy it and power up, please. :)

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2: Buy LEO and power it up. Keeps it nice and simple.

I am not entirely convinced on utopis but that's not a slight on the guys running it

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I know the guy behind. When I first heard about it, I was a little like what? ETH mining? Anyways, i bought a few and got the div's and then bought a lot.

It's not for everyone, if there's something you dont like about, i would not invest because that thing will continue to you more and more.

Thanks for checking out the post and dropping a comment.

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I suggest an option not written in the post: we buy CUB and put in the dens.

I am a big supporter of CUB and I am sure it will pay off in the future 😊
In alternative, option 2

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#CUBLIFE!!!

We've been putting 50% of earnings into CUB since it launched and we have a nice wallet already. I dont see how CUB ever goes back over $5 but I do think it will remain consistent for a long time which is just as good.

Thank you for making a different option. We'll prob not go for it but now i know you are a CUB supporter :)

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Not sure if you are throwing shade at proof of brain or not, either way it was hilarious to see you bashing HE tokens :))

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lol, I build my rep on HE tokens and I hate 98% of them. I dont have any probs with POB, I dont even know that much about it, to be honest. I just see the tokens are worth a lot and holding them to wait for them to 3-5x does not sound that great to me. I see the money, I take the money. I'd be more likely to HODL them if the price went down some. Maybe it's over my head.

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I would buy Leo and power up but I do think it would be interesting to dabble in investment tokens like Utopia, dhedge, Hive index fund and Eddie earners.
Also Staking some in usd/cub could be good for a rainy day.

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INDEX token is set up so beautifully. The distribution model, the website, the whole transparent way it is set up. The only thing I dont like about INDEX is the tokens they track.

But yes, I've been thinking of CUB/BUSD LP, it's been on my mind.

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since lbi is originally tied Leo, i think option 2 would be the best for the long term.

Besides Leo is currently been sold at what I would call discounted price. It better to get in more now so as to increase curation rewards


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Yep, that seems to be the ringing bell. I'll convert over the HIVE this evening just before i fill in this weeks report.

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Convert to LEO and power up to increase curation rewards

Number 2 does it for me,it makes the LEO economy grow and also the recipients will be able to earn LEO too...


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Yes, everyone else is saying the same thing with is great because it shows we are all on the same wavelength.

Thank you for checking out the post and leaving feedback.

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Option 2 seems to be the best. It keeps us grounded in Leo and provides curation benefits, a win-win. Plus the price of Leo is so damn cheap right now why not take advantage of it.

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Plus staking more LEO will increase the LBI token price by just a little but it'll never drop by that amount.

:)

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While I agree with most people who say buying LEO is cheap right now, a little more diversification wouldn't hurt my feelings. We will continue to stack LEO, obviously, every week with our current operations. While I like UTOPIS and don't think that would be a bad plan at all, I own 200 myself and the dividends are around 10-12 Hive a week currently so buying roughly that amount would provide maybe 50 Hive a month. That seems great for individuals but not all that impressive when divided amongst 275,000 LBI tokens. That said, it is HIVE, which is liquid and the underlying platform for LEO/CUB so owning it in LBI kind of fits.

Personally, I like number 4. After task's article yesterday it seems like there are some stablecoin opportunities we could delve into that would provide some pretty amazing returns and, as you say, provide a hedge against market corrections. They would also then be available to use for an opportunity down the road if something should arise we want to take advantage of.

As you say, the growth in LBI doesn't really include this money so finding another potential income stream seems like a good idea. Plus, the flexibility it provides for later uses seems attractive to me.

Whatever you decide, I trust your judgement. You seem to be doing just fine so far. :-)

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I get your thinking.

I've been thinking that we've been pumping 50% of our weekly earning into CUB pretty much since it launched and it's maybe time to start and use harvests for other things like stable token LPing, farming. For me, stable investing would count as either stable token are same token LP's like WBNB/BNB LP as an example.

BTW, does not mean i dont love CUB, i just money more 😎

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Yeah, I love CUB as well and I get that LBI is a LEO/CUB-based investment but the idea is definitely to create income streams to increase the value of the token as a whole. That said, upon thinking about it further, it may be too soon to start straying too far afield. I mean, we're only around 6 months old, right? Maybe the smart choice is indeed to convert to LEO (there's no question these are great prices to do so) and keep building that stake for another 6 months. Once we're a year in with a massive base then worst-case we'll still be growing things with curation. That might be a better time to ask the audience whether they want to diversify into other areas. Especially with all the rug-pulls that seem to be happening on a weekly basis....

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I think buying buying and staking Leo is a solid plan but since we’re talking about such a small amount I think I’m in favor of the 4th option. Does LBI have something staked in every farm on CubDeFi? What other off-chain options would you be looking at?

Off chain can also serve as an educational function. A lot of us are struggling with aspects of defi that hinder serious involvement. Walking through a totally new project could have the added bonus of expanding everyone’s knowledge base and get more overall involvement.

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LBI has been converting 50% of its LEO weekly earnings since CUB launched to buy into the bLEO/BNB LP. We have a CUB/BNB LP and CUB staked in the den.

As for other off-platform investments. To be honest, it would be whatever I like the best on the day. There are now so many options to pick from and even more techniques to be used for profiting. Funny you should say about "walkthroughs" as I have been thinking of doing some. I would like to but I fear getting bored of it after 4-5 videos and then stopping.

Excellent comment and feedback, thank you.

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I vote for either 2 or 3. I think Utopis seems to be a really great project. I don't know where they are based out of, but something happening to them like is happening in China would be the biggest concern I have with that option. Other than that I think that option 2 is your best bet in terms of return. 1 is great, but I don't think you will get as much return as you would with option 2. As for 4, I just don't know what you could move it into that would be worth it.

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I know the guy that runs UTOPIS, im 90% sure here's from the States are Canada. He's legit but mining ETH could F him up if the taxman were to find out and what a cut so your concern is not a silly one.

I think we'll go option 2, seems to be the clear investors choice.

Thanks for swinging by :)

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Yeah, no problem. I think that is a really sound decision.

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I vote option 2 because the extra LEO added will create a better base for LEO curation rewards. This means it will help our LEO dividends in the future.

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100% agree, i think the first div vote is coming up soon in 2-3 weeks and i have a feeling it'll pass this time. I'd personally prefer we kept compounding but i dont vote and 6 months of 100% reinvested is a decent start, i'd like a great start but we can turn decent into great over time.

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1- Power the HIVE up and delegate to leo.voter

I am a HPUD devotee and I still see future in Hive , so I will like to keep Hive.

but 13 weeks power down for Hive will always be pain. So go all LEO for LBI.

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I think your first person to go for delegate it to leo.voter.

It's a solid rewarded and 16% is decent. you can see that 98% of other have went for power up LEO so that's the road we a re taking.

Thanks for checking out he post and giving some feedback.

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For the record, I sell every HE

I strongly oppose that in terms of SOL token. As one of the sponsors, I would like you to keep those tokens as they provide measurable advantage.

As for other tokens, I'm leaving it to your experience, but I would suggest delegating some amount of neoxian, palnet to @brofi account to get hold more of BRO. To diversify income a bit. At least those already staked tokens. Just a bit. Sell the rest out and just like as you I would go with 2,1,4,3 option (in that order)

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I know you are into SOL and I've never sold one of them because if it :)

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Bro is ok but the div's are like 7% APY. Because they pay in tribe tokens, people dont know, haha. It would be more profitable to stake and curate HIVE or LEO. I think about 3 people (and now 4) on HIVE know BRO's APY

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As for BRO I don't argue about that, since the APY is as you claim it is, you should do what's the best - going into Hive or Leo

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#2 seems the right move here. The fund was set up to provide support to the Leo platform, so buying it makes more sense.

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BRO, I've been answering comments on this post for 50 min and i still have 5 more to go after you. Are we fucking crazy people for doing this? baaa-hahaha. I came on to write this week CUBLIFE post and now im all wrote out and can't be assed.

Are me mad? why do we do this to ourselves? haha

Ok, number 2, cool, looks like that's the winner for far.

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I would say most definitely Option 2, then 1 if alternative required. Keep things within HIVE/Leo.

If diversity is required, option 1 would benefit Leo community.

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Thank you for leaving some feedback, look like most people have gone for option 2 :)

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I do not know much about the UTOPIS other than what you mentioned, I do understand the issue with H-E and liquidity, I think 3 and 4 are viable options. Powering up, and converting options are fine but will they provide for increased account diversity? I would place the order 3-4-1-2. A high to low risk order.

It may have taken 20 weeks to earn the 800 Hive, odds are it would take just slightly less than 20 weeks to earn it again, what are the projections/guesstimates for earning potential in 20 weeks for the 4 options being looked at right now?

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No, but for all it is, it'll not really make a difference where it goes. I've already been planning to diversify us a little more on the BSC chain. I can think what the returns would be for each option off the top of head. HIVE would be 20/52's of 16%, LEO would be 20/52's of around 20%, UTOPIS would be 20/52's of 60-80% and defi, 50%+ in 20 weeks.

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Hey man! I hadn't seen this yet when I commented earlier or I would have mentioned it then, but HAVE YOU SEEN THIS?!

https://sps.splinterlands.com/

Dude! This is laying out a 5 year 5 month plan to turn game related governance over to players. CHECK OUT this TOKEN DISTRIBUTION!

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I CAN'T MATH!!!

But I own over a tract of land and I bet this is great news for me!

Maybe we should consider getting some land. There's 2.4 regions left (24,391 plots) at $20 each (discounted with the purchase of a tract or region). If aggroed doesn't end up in jail ;P this shit is gonna spread like wildfire. Hell, probably even if he does..., but that aside...

This looks like a decent long term project to look into. This might be the last chance to get in early, as we all say every time for everything. :D

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I dont trust aggroed with money

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I’d like to know more. Maybe there's a lesson here, it would behoove a few of us to learn.

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Shit, I like all of them. But since there will probably be more airdrops and it's a Leo Backed Investment I'd say 2.

Then either 1 or 3 as both are good for hive as a whole and although I like number 4 it does take money out of hive so maybe a consideration for diversifying in the future.

Got no idea how risky it is to havr liquid investments on HE. How often does someone get hacked here? Staking for one week does sound good but not sure if it's a priority..


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Not sure how often. I know 1 investor of LBI and SPI got hacked and lost all their tokens. I think their wallets totalled over $150k. Bummer

But someone hacked their HIVE account, nothing to do with HE.

Option 2 it is, seems to be the clear winner.

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Ouch, that's truly sad.. How does something like that happen? Yeah, understand it's the overall Hive account being compromised.

Option 2 is all good :-)


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