"Not Your Keys, Not Your Crypto!" But Just Where DO You Put Your Trust?

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Late last year my primary desktop computer suddenly "black screened," and its sudden failure got me to thinking about an issue we often talk about here in the Cryptosphere, namely that of "keeping your keys safe."

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Red rocks near Sedona, AZ

If you think about it, our obsession with safeguarding our keys is also a reflection of the reality that we don't trust anyone. Let's be honest here, cryptos exist because we don't trust banks and banksters, and we don't trust governments... and we probably don't trust a whole bunch of other individuals and organizations, either!

So who do we trust? Ourselves?

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My experience in life is that everything can fail and/or break down.

At some point, you have to trust some-thing or some-one.

When my computer headed south for a while last December, it left me with a somewhat "ambiguous status" with respect to the keys and a crypto wallet actually not stored on an exchange which is the de-facto no-no around here. It was safely stored in a separate isolated partition on my computer at home, with a backup on a thumb drive.

While I was awaiting the call from the repair folks to let me know what could be retrieved from the futzed hard disk I got to thinking about how "safe" anything can actually be. But I had the keys on a thumb drive, right? Sure... but it was also blinking menacingly a while back, because these things aren't infallible.

Which got me to pondering whether or not a hardware wallet is actually any more or less reliable than a thumb drive. I'd imagine the underlying technology is pretty much the same... it doesn't matter how secure the housing is and the encryption is if the essential bits and pieces inside become unreadable.

A "failure to retrieve file, please retry" message operates independently of how "secure" or "encrypted" your keys are.

Then people talk about creating "cold storage" wallets and literally printing them out on paper, so they (allegedly) "cant be hacked" from ANYwhere.

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Reflections in the water

But if paper gets wet, you're pretty much hosed. So you put them in a fireproof and waterproof safe... but what if you lose your keys or forget the combination?

Yeah, but we can lock that piece of paper in a safe deposit box at the bank, so no harm will come to it!

Wait... WHAT? Trust a BANK? A bank can fail. Then you're fncked, once again.

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See where I'm going with all this?

At some point, we have trust someone, or we take ourselves all the way back to having to chip our keys into a piece of rock we keep somewhere safe... and where is that?

The yard? Remember, there could be a flood, or a landslide, and then the rock would disappear.

So we create multiple backup media... but peppering our "important keys" all over the place defeats the entire purpose of keeping them safe because now we've made it much easier for someone to get to them, due to multiple copies.

My point here is that there's nothing that is entirely risk free. Including the fact that the keys and wallet with the crypto we're so zealously guarding actually has any value when we get around to turning it into...? What? Fiat?

The irony of the fact that we're "all about crypto" yet talk about Bitcoin in terms of dollars and Ethereum in terms of dollars and LEO in terms of dollars and Hive in terms of dollars is not lost on me here... but that's a whole different story for a whole different post!

Anyway, I keep an awful lot of the backups of our personal/sensitive/valuable documents in my personal "Vault" on Microsoft's OneDrive in the cloud. How can I trust Microsoft?

Fact is, I don't. But I trust that their uptime for heavily secured 2FA web storage is going to be better than the uptime of my obviously fallible personal computer. And it's certainly more durable than a piece of paper. And less likely to get lost than a thumb drive or a hardware wallet. And more secure than my phone, which I might accidentally drop in the bathtub. Or the toilet. Or the ocean.

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Panoramic view near Sedona, AZ, with Bell Rock in the center

My point here is that we all need to find a reasonable balance between absolute paranoia and being plain stupid with our keys. Maybe that point is different for different people... but if you're to the point of laying awake at night wondering whether your crypto keys are "safe enough," it's probably time to re-think your perception and your game!

Chronic mistrust is not how we're going to solve the world's problems...

Thanks for reading, and have a great remainder of your week!

How about YOU? Are your keys safe? Are you SURE? Is it foolproof? Consider Stefan Thomas who's locked out of a wallet with 7,000+ Bitcoin! To what lengths do you go, to keep your keys safe? Comments, feedback and other interaction is invited and welcomed! Because — after all — SOCIAL content is about interacting, right? Leave a comment — share your experiences — be part of the conversation!

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Rule #1 - trust nobody

I came to a conclusion that the safest way for a regular normie like me is to go by BIP39 way

Imagine someone finds a stainless steel or titanium plate with this engraved of punched in words:

flam void inve sect medi whis awes asth rebe wild pull stoo crus song volc real scal quot gaze boss wage corn ugly

Good luck in taking these coins.

Only 23 word? Yes! the last one is always retrievable.

Then comes the next barriers:
What if several words must be interchanged in the order? How many, 2, or 3 or 4? How many new combinations?
What if there is a strong PASSWORD word, as the 25th word?
What if finally a BIP85 was applied? Another 2^31 combinations !

So your Titanium wallet which can withstand anything, floods, fire, and 20-30 Ton punch in earthquake, is hidden well.
Maybe even 2-3 copies, in a various places.

What you got to remember now ( and to save SEPARATELY) is:

  1. Order change (smth like 11 <-> 17, written as "1117")
  2. PASSWORD (the name of your first GF? :) )
  3. BIP85 number ( even may not be written, as perhaps it is smth you will always remember)

Even if one finds a piece of paper with all these 3(2)(1?) things - what he will do with it?
Go and find one of those Titanium plates somewhere?

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So cool @onealfa.leo, Rule #1 is sufficient enough to save your keys imo, don't trust even your partner when it comes to your crypto KEYS. And when you get your BIP39 Seed Phrase on a titanium plate, it serves as a very cool souvenir too. 😎 Which you can hide in your basement and go there to have a look at it every now & then. Maybe divide the phrase on different plates sitting inside different basements.

You have listed down a fool proof way to secure your keys covering major scenarios. 😂 If by any chance all these fail for someone, they are the unluckiest on earth.

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Very nice @onealfa.leo. You are, of course, also a master or riddles, puzzles and quizzes... I have seen some of the ones you have shared!

Anyway, what you lay out here covers pretty much all reasonable eventualities. And I guess that was part of the point of my post as well... we can run the risk of becoming so concerned about safety/security that it goes overboard into an obsession.

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Are your keys safe?
Probably not because most people in this space are smarter about this stuff then I am.

Are you SURE?
No

Is it foolproof?
No

To what lengths do you go, to keep your keys safe?
Not very far at the moment because the amounts I have are pretty small in the big scheme of things.

A bigger worry for me is that it would all probably be lost anyway, if something were to happen to me, because none of my family would have a clue where to start to access stuff.

I am spread too wide, and with all the stuff going on on Hive these days, that's only getting worse. Coins are regularly dropping into my wallet that I have no clue about.

And because it all seems so complicated it drains my energy fast so I put off trying to get some order around it.

Most of the time I fall into that category where "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing".

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And I am somewhat with you there @gillianpearce in that I am not (yet!?!?) yet terribly worried about the amounts I am trying to keep safe. Fr someone like @onealfa it's a more pressing matter because he's guarding hundreds of thousands or even millions.

You make a very good point about the family and being able to even find all this stuff. I am also spread all over the place... although I am trying to simplify... and one of my "projects" for this year is to simply put together a sort of "map" for the eventuality that something does happen to me.

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one of my "projects" for this year is to simply put together a sort of "map" for the eventuality that something does happen to me.

Same for me but so far it's getting more complicated rather than simpler.

And then there's the whole tax of things. Although we're about to have an announcement in the UK regarding that so we're hoping that might simplify things a bit.

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I stopped halfway through reading this and saved mine somewhere else....LOL !!!!

Fortunately for me, it would not devastate my life if I lost all I had here since I'm pretty small. I still don't want to lose it by being stoopid though. 🙂

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I get that! And it also points towards one of the broader challenges facing the entire cryptocurrency field... namely that it's still really complicated for most people to understand.

We live in a world where the default level of complexity is "log in with Facebook," so what we're doing here seems like nuclear physics to most outsiders.

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I hope I don't get stoned for saying this, but I don't really care a lot about how it works or why, I just want to post occasionally (sometimes I post more than others), read, comment, take what's given and not think about it a lot more than that. One day if I actually want to take something out, I'll have to learn more.

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Oh, I'm not very far from where you are!

I'm basically a blogger and content creator first and outside of this, the rewards and what thereof follows I view as a sort of "exotic savings account," a bit like that "Acorns" investment group that rounds up all your payments on your debit card to the next whole dollar and dumps the "cents" into an investment account you can withdraw five years later.

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I must say that it is a reality: "If they are not your keys they are not your cryptos" and that principle should never be repeated as a mantra and said every night together with prayers. And why, precisely the only person you should trust is yourself above all else. Beyond the method used to safeguard your cryptos you must be aware that you are the main responsible for what you safeguard and the way you use it is the key in this matter beyond if you forget, damage or misplace any cold wallet, app, hard drive or paper.

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I think of it akin to being prepared as opposed to big time prepping. Just like home/personal security...it can all get to be an obsession.

I have trusted banks/brokerages for 35 years plus and never once had an issue.

As a practical matter, I find Bitwarden to be good at the free level. Here is a review from US News...

https://www.usnews.com/360-reviews/password-managers/bitwarden

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