Things to look for when you suspect that the label is not advertising the contents...
I'm writing this to help those that misunderstand, and misinterpret, information - To learn t recognize that that nice sounding generalities are very often used as a strategy to hide weakness and ambiguity , posing as intelligence and wisdom.
In my experience, those that wish to not engage in a debate of their own ideas are scared of being revealed.
Of showing themselves to being nothing like the mask that they wear.
For those that are peddling bullshit, (and they know it) - wish to create a narrative for the more gullible to accept.
Their motives are disingenuous.
Those with higher than average IQ's (the midwit, for example), will make the effort to carry many truths in their word salads - for truths are a powerful vehicle by which to attain credibility.
Within those truths, lies the faux messages - and that is where their real 'will to power' resides.
They do not deal in truths, they deal in narratives. Truths are only there to add legitimacy to an argument that is, overall - illegitimate.
Throw in a sprinkling of truths to blind those who are less critical in what they read.
It's a power play.
It's their 'will to power', expressing itself. (it's also a very low IQ expression of it, but that's not pertinent right here).
It's the 'snake oil salesman' in action.
Nice sounding deep generalities are seldom that 'deep', not really.
Not when they come under scrutiny.
Read Nietzsche.
There's nothing shallow about his works. His reasoning and logic are pretty airtight.
You often find that with these peddlers -'a narrative you will accept unquestioningly' - is that when these generalities ARE questioned, it becomes a case of - 'oh my god! you dare to question my wisdom'?... that kind of thing.
THEN... you're then met with a dismissive or defensive response and attitude. Or even none at all.
Watch out for in vogue words like 'toxic' or 'negative' coming your way - or even better - 'you obviously aren't clever enough to understand what I'm saying'.
It's the midwits defensive fallback response.
...And quite often, it's also finished off with an appeal to authority as if that gives more (not less) credence to their position.
Don't be scared of asking.
Confusion is part of the game for the disingenuous, not clarity.
They will try to make you feel defensive.
They will try to put you in a position of feeling like 'I don't understand what's being said, maybe I'm too stupid'.
THAT is their modus operandi.
It's a 'power over you' , play.
Fuck that.
Never be scared of asking.
Anything.
Whether Einstein said it or not is irrelevant.
The wisdom still stands.
"If you can't explain your ideas to a 5 year old, then you don't understand them yourself."
So the next time that you don't understand something, and are afraid of asking because , somehow, you'd feel really stupid approaching 'ye old wise guru'- ask you self this:
"IF THEY CAN EXPLAIN IT TO ME IN AWAY THAT I CAN UNDERSTAND, MAYBE THEY DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND IT EITHER...."
And just like that - 'MR GURU'..... SUDDENLY HAS NO CLOTHES...
Show NO RESPECT to those who think they are prophesying wisdom, but are unable - or are unwilling - to enter into debate about their own perspectives.
They DESERVE NO RESPECT for showing intellectual cowardice.
Ask for definitions.
This is a BIG tell - one of the biggest - in exposing the disingenuous. (and the low IQ mask wearers).
What is wrong with asking for definitions?
It clarifies everything.
And that's the whole point... The 'word salad engineer' doesn't want to be asked for definitions, you see.
Why?
....they peddle in ambiguous generalities so as to appear wise and /or clever without ever having to explain themselves.
Asking for definitions to words or terms that they themselves are using - puts them - forces them - into a position.
Weak arguments fall apart with the application of definitions.
Ambiguity shows itself.
If you cannot define your own terms on which you write a post - what you're really doing, is telling the world...
"I HAVE NO FUCKING CLUE WHAT IT IS, THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT".
Truth loves scrutiny - it has nothing to hide.
It is what it is.
The disingenuous word salad writer, however - who try to pose untruths and ambiguity as some kind of truth ?
...Well...they have plenty to hide.
The inspiration for writing this post is based on @calumam and @coininstant 's discussion with account @regenerette and a post that is awash with ambiguities and soft logic.
I hate to see accounts I like and support, being misled.
I can only say it as I see it.
The rest is upto the individual to work it out.
I have requested some definitions - i.e some clarity - on this post, and hopefully I'll get a reply.
I asked for what the definition of what 'divine source' is, that's mentioned several times in their post.
Much of the premise of the post relies on this 'divine source'.
It seems to be a foundational part of the overall perspective.
Ergo.... if there is not a clear definition of what this is, then the narrative itself is built on a nothingness. (A typical midwit/disingenuous players', strategy)
A simple explanation - the definition - is suffice.
Lack of willingness to give a definition?
Fear of exposure.
(and see Einsteins quote above).
I hope that I'm incorrect in my dissection of this account.
An unwillingness to engage in debate, a defensiveness in response, and dismissiveness in attitude, tells me that thus far, I am correct.
There is no where to hide on the block chain.
I'm not scared - How about account @regenerette?
I'll stare down both the devil and god - and both at the same time - when it comes to finding out truths through discussion and dissection.
Lets debate.... lets clarify...lets define...
Otherwise , as time goes by - and with my incessant questioning that I guarantee WILL be on every post.
I will scrutinize it all with a pleasure that's comes close to foreplay, when you're a 16 year old lad...
(I don't think my tenacity for this kind of exercise is in question - not for those who've know me on this platform for the last four years) .
Over time, and with a consistent refusal to address logical points, areas of critique, and questions of perspective - any account will start to look vapid, shallow, and utterly empty of the wisdom that they profess to impart..
The midwit hates to be seen without a mask...
And I hate to see people being 'taken in' by charlatans.
I write this in the hope it helps others to see through the bullshit that some of these 'word salad smiths' depend on, to appear legitimate and intelligent.
They are neither !
...I will continue expose them - I promise you.
And hopefully .... I'll be pleasantly surprised at being woefully wrong in having misinterpreted them.
I WANT to be wrong...
A smart phone is an oxymoron, lol! All phones are dumb phones haha! Good catch!!
There's an inverse equation , somewhere........the more 'smart' appliances you have....the dumber you are! lol
True Dat!! !LUV
Thank you (do I now have to call you sweetie?)
HAHA! I've been waiting for that one! jk
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I can sometimes spend hours, may be even hours through out an entire week researching a topic someone posted and I still wouldn't be able to scientifically explain it the way it was written but I most certainly at that point can distinguish between who may or may not have been peddling bullshit.
I didn't know this is a scientific platform 😁 God...I have to escape this then 🤤 I prefer the free speech 🙂
It was mostly anti vaxxer stuff until covid came along. It's been a lllloooonnnngggg road of reading materials to try and decipher. Some people will just grab onto a sentence and run with it, like one the other day someone posted an article that they quoted a sentence as an absolute finding but failed to finish the observation that the finding was not significantly above normal compared to the population overall.
Outside of this experimental vaccine(s) with covid I think it's important for kids to get vaccinated, maybe it's because I got both the chicken pox and measles when I was a kid and I remember the painful experience it was. I remember vividly laying on the couch screaming in pain for my mom to make it stop as she put warm compresses on my back to solve the pain. I may be inclined to believe it's not wise to vaccinate a kid with all their shots at once but the reality is that's why they have them scheduled out and if parents miss those intervals whose fault is that? It's not science's fault that parents skip out then find themselves being denied getting their kids in school because they lack their required shots. I've seen it way to many times kids getting all their shots at once so they can go to school.
I think it is a general problem if someone wants to find the absolute truth on a social platform. Not even academic journals can give you that. Anyway...who are we to show what's good or bad? However, for me, being a bad person is much worse than being misinformed. In fact, I have higher expectations from so supposed informed people.
Going along to get along does tend to work out much better, you don't suffer to much brain drain writing witless jabs and one meaningless one liners. You should work out well on here.
The idea is that I do enough research for my work. I want to relax in HIVE without caring too much about how specific or not is a person...or other little details. I can connect with someone or not - some kind of HIVE-zapping. Intellectual debates can also be interesting in Hive or in more appropriate places...but this is definitely not my primary goal here.
🤣 Never actually had that said to me, but I've had conversations with the type who try to bedazzle you with intellectual sounding tripe which doesn't answer the question you asked. At which point I leave the conversation, because it's obviously not going anywhere.
This exactly! The best way to understand a concept is to teach it to someone else. If you can't do that you haven't understood it yet. I learnt so much from educating my girls and they've taught me a few things too.
Uh oh, he's tagging people now. Time for a quick exit.
thinking of ways to tag......must tag....need to tag...
but I've had conversations with the type who try to bedazzle you with intellectual sounding tripe which doesn't answer the question you asked. At which point I leave the conversation, because it's obviously not going anywhere.
Au contraire, madomoselle....
THIS is where you gouge out the mother fuckers eyes , slit their throat, and pull out their innards for all the world to see their fakery....Ahem...metaphorically speaking, of course
Ooooh, sounds therapeutic! 🤣
It is!...It makes your soul soar, and then your sleep is of the newborn...
You don't think I'm a twat for altruistic reasons, do ya? lol
Sounds rather oxymoronic. Now there's a word I don't think I've ever had an opportunity to use before. You'll make a midwit out of me yet. 😁
Your ambitions of ever being a midwit will fail miserably, I'm sorry to have to tell you.
If it's something that you really want to attain to, here's some pointers...
.....Lose the goddamn sense of humor!...Midwits don't laugh, they politely laugh along with
Thinking for yourself is a big no, no, as well i'm afraid.
Copious amounts of CNN, BBC, and Hollywood, can go along way to fix this problem. Recommended dosage, about 15 years, 9 hours a day.
When you've addressed these issues, get back to me, and then we'll see if I can give you psychotic break using only logic and laughter.
Then we'll know that you've really got there!
What!!? I haven't got the patience for that! I want to do other things before I get old!
I tell you what, though, the narcissist in my life darn near lost me my sense of humour at one point. She seems to be making progress, though, so fingers crossed...
The irony of you using boomer ass terms like "Midwits" and instructing people to consume main stream media isn't lost on me. lol. ffs.
Psychotic breaks or bouts of mania? Which shit you gearing up on? :D
The conversation was a spoof!....a piss take... Think monty python...
lmao... (english humor)...oh dear...the irony of mentioning irony, eh? lol
Aye, it's all just internet street theatre driven by assholes. XD
Good fun, appreciate you realizing I'm here taking the piss just like the rest of you.
No, I didn't, actually! ...Doh!..bugger...lol
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Yeah!!! (metaphorically laughing)
Just looking for more clarity as you have mentioned;
I've been a lot more critical of @regenerette's posts since reading your last post where you raised some valid questions and received dismissal on her content. I believe my votes on her posts since then show that I appreciate some content that she shares and I find some value in it, but other content I don't see the validity or I'm not personally interested in it.
I'm more intrigued by the responses and discussions under a post. It paints a much better picture of a person.
I wonder if I'll get a reply to my very valid question?
Action - or inaction - speaks volumes.
Very true. I hope so.
Dear @lucylin, why don't you expose yourself?...because some of us have no interest in dissecting other people here. Considering that, how should someone treat your post...? Everyone needs to improve in this community, but I wouldn't put it this way. I just want you to reflect on one thing: ''What is (was) more important in your life? To be right or to be (make other people) happy". Be it a starting point for your own dissection article. Because I dare you to do that and to be nice with @regenerette. Can you do that?
😅
My interest is dissecting weak ideas and poor philosophy, and these come in the form of accounts.
I just want you to reflect on one thing: ''What is (was) more important in your life? To be right or to be (make other people) happy"
Did you not see the bottom of my post? - it says "I want to be wrong".
Reconcile?
Because I dare you to do that and to be nice with @regenerette. Can you do that?
I'm nice to everyone.
I'm not nice to weak philosophy or logic.
...did the 100% upvote and comment 'good post' pass you by?
This was hours before this post.
Some cognitive bias at play, or willful blindness, perhaps?
I think the bias is in your mind. I am not aroused by good or bad comments. But it's interesting how you see things. I don't think anyone should receive this kind of remarks on this platform...or at least not exposed in this way. I think some competent quality team could do that eventually.
Why the desire for a 'referral to an authority' on a free speech blogging platform?
I am biased - everyone is.
(You showed a bias by writing this comment , over choosing to not write).
I don't think anyone should receive this kind of remarks on this platform
Such as what exactly?
I was attacking ideas and the guise by which it introduces itself...Any perceived attack on a personal level is incorrect.
...or at least not exposed in this way
Exposed in what way?
Showing up faux logic, and weak philosophy?
That roads leads to totalitarianism. Stalin would approve of this logic, you do know that right?
What would you propose?.... A polite silence?
Why are people so offended - i.e afraid - of talking truthfully?
This is a far more interesting question .
So being a prick to invoke dramamonger powers to keep yourself entertained or?
Man that is some beta cuck shit singling out a new user and being hyper critical of them, lets be honest here, 99.8% of HIVE posts are shit nobody wants to read.. No sense inflating yours sense of self or bolstering your incredible curation eyes running down noobs ffs.
Probably a dumb fucking idea to pick on @regenerette to be fair, I hear she is protected by the HIVE Mobster families or something.. Then again I could just be making all this shit up too. Fuck around and find out..? :D
It's a bit of a longer story than that but I can happily go into it if you want.
That's a shame. Yet asking genuine questions about the validity of some information is not recommended because it'll potentially hurt someone's feelings?
No idea where all this "bullying" and "picking on people" talk is coming from. See what you wanna see I suppose.
grow up.
I'm just stomping on you on request from people I recently did account recovery for after they were hacked saying some dickweeds were harrassing. Just poking my head in to convey the message of "there are greater assholes in this pool than you lot" and to not start conflict or shit talk the lady in question.
Other than that, do what you want.. I'm not your fucking mom nor to I wish to babysit "adults" on a fucking blogchain.
this is a PSA to be nice to eachother or fuck off
What are you going on about? Why have you decided to reply to my comment and "stomp on me" when I've been nothing but upfront and honest with @regenerette. Seriously lost here.
Well, don't stroll in acting like one or thinking that you in any way need to do that.
To be entirely honest I didn't even bother fully catching up on your comments or replies on @regenerette's shit, I'm 10 hours into a day of coding and don't have the time to waste reading whatever garbage sparked her PM'ing me saying that a couple of hand fucking keyboard warriors are getting their jollies off being dinks or some shit.
If my stepping in and flag nuking is unwarranted, sorry pal.
If it is warranted and you're trying to flip the script and play the victim card now my field of fucks is barren in regards to that sort of behavior. These replies are basically "shots across the bow" as a warning to leave people alone when they've asked or obviously decided to not answer something a stranger on the internet tried to bait them into sharing.
I'll stroll wherever the fuck I please bubs, I didn't just come in here out of the goodness of my heart or because of some randomness.. I came in here because I was asked to look at a couple of neckbeard ass quasi-intellectuals ganging up on a newer user.. and if we're going to measure e-peens over our internet status and how intellectual and cultured we are, you and the post writer compared don't even amount to the left nut of yours truly..
You're in my domain on a blockchain I've been involved with since before it was cool. What's your main account by the way? For a 2017 account your rank and HP is oddly low for a main account.
Decided to get some sleep last night because this wasn't going anywhere and I saw on discord that one of regenerette's comments was deleted from one of my posts so it was time to call it a day.
You can do as you wish with your flags, I just don't understand what you mean by nuking. If you disagree with what's been said then fair enough, if it's being used as an attack method then that seems unsettling.
No idea how regenerette has perceived my messages to her but I've never meant to upset her in any way so decide on the victim card based on that.
The post was in Proof Of Brain after all and some genuine questions were presented. If the proof of brain mechanics are worth anything at all then digging deeper into someone's content to determine what legitimacy it holds should be commonly practised.
I returned to the blockchain about a month ago after some time away, about the same time regenerette joined. I was on Steem previously.
Oh man I totally forgot about this.. lmao/
Yeah, don't worry about it fam I'm not going to flag nuke the fuck out of you.
I think it was partial trolling and partial misunderstanding with a bit of dickery if anything. Just try to not harass the poor lady any more than necessary and we're golden.
Nice to see a fellow steem refugee on here. All of my asshattery posting was strictly business and I hold no grudge against you or your buddy so long as everyone isn;t being dinks basically. All is well that ends well, or something.
Cheers man.
Couldn't agree more. Definitely no intended dinkish behavior meant.
Take it easy, cheers.
So I'm being offended, called names, and what...@lucylin, once you started behaving aggressively to one of my posts, I have told you I will stop any communication with you. I believe it is hard for you to accept the fact that I or anybody else in Hive is not obligated to answer any of your Qs. I don't write for 5-year-olds and I have no intention to do so.
Continue with this as much as you wish. You are free to downvote, to write negative things about me and my posts, to push others to do whatever you want.
I'll be in Hive for a while. This is the only time I am answering this manipulative twisted ego-drama of yours. I always reply to others, but to those that are non-aggressive and less limited.
@regenerette doesn't cry, dear, and doesn't point the finger at others.
You're not exposing anything, because you do not know me.
At least my professional background for half a lifetime allows me to write in the field of human behavior.
This man and his opinions have no validation in what he says. The only things I see are frustration and bullying. Should I give you my whole account so you can trade it for some more mundane pleasure to pay for? You seem to be wanting to destroy it anyway. Some people while having a hammer, will not build anything, they will just destroy it. This is what you do.
I have tried to clarify things with him under one of my posts, until to the point when it was 5 AM for me and the author of this post still wanted feedback and debates and offended me for not wanting to give him an answer at less than 3 minutes distance one from the previous answers!
I have 5 months of going in and out of hospitals, I can barely stay in my ass to write an article and use my fingers, doctors say paralysis is close. I have a person putting on my underwear, my socks, my clothes and cooking and washing my body....I have almost 40 years...why should I be called names just like last time when I wasn't able to stay up more and answer his offensive behavior?
Do you want to harass me and continue with this? Do it. If it makes you happy to kill a 1-month Hive account with bullying just because I stated it clearly that I don't want to interact with you because you are not for open communication but you become aggressive. I am not, under any form, obligated to answer you, @lucylin.
Destroy anything, if this gives you any satisfaction.
This charlatan you can find in The International Coaching News, In The International Association of NLP, In UK, USA, Europe International coaching programs, etc...
Who's this @lucylin?
Don't expect more "attention" from me, Mr. John Doe....nada is nada. See maybe you can find another play partner.
SHAME.
I am sure you don't know how that feels.
It has been a pleasure to communicate and answer both @coininstant and @calumam
Not a fan of this response, lots of "poor me" and kind of missing the point of lucylin's comments (of which I've read them all).
From what I read from his comments and the responses, there were genuine questions asked and after a couple back and forth there was a wall put up and no further comments. I don't see the bullying anywhere and I think it's fairly closed-minded to see it as such.
Never saw any aggression. More than happy to partake in open communication and discussion.
Disappointing to read considering the post you shared the other day about Mental Balance and this response seems to fall into Option A or B.
I am talking about the 5 AM messages he was sending and his attitude a few days back when I decided to go to sleep instead of offering him an answer after another.
Not expecting empathy, but I only wish one of you were in my position so they could understand.
Poor me is close to paralysis...and stays in pain for several months, poor me can be seen in #Iamalivechallange from hospital to hospital. Poor me asks you gently not to follow her articles as they might not represent what you want to read. And thanks to you for being close for a while.
I see this is happening here, where my stake in POB is a nice one. I'll give to both of you for free when I'll leave this community.
I hope you have interesting POB articles to write to contribute to this community.
I wanted to ask Coaches, trainers, neuro marketers, people in the TaiChi and Yoga, and others to join this group and call them from my FB groups, I also wanted my peers in the Gamification design field to join here and make workshop nights for people to learn a different skill, related to human behavior. I guess this is not the right place to create something or to engage productively.
So, I was named today. Let's see who's next on @lucylin's list? If there's really anybody else.
Why not stay and go through is?....There is zero animosity coming from me, I can assure you.
I am talking about the 5 AM messages he was sending and his attitude a few days back when I decided to go to sleep instead of offering him an answer after another.
mmm....very different time zone, maybe?
It's 5am somewhere on the planet right now. I don't understand this logic.
If that's how you are perceiving this interaction and you feel like it's some kind of personal attack to destroy you then I can't help you there.
I'll just take the side door out of this conversation because I don't appreciate the manipulative undertones and continued poor me mentality.
@proofofbrainio at this point, is there any sense for me to continue posting articles here?
Is there any point in bringing new people in that have a qualification and a background in brain-related fields?
Is there not? What is the problem?
Yes, I think so, but that is up to you of course. I enjoy your posts and will continue to vote on them.
I didn't know that. I am glad you do!
@regenerette & @lucylin thank you for giving me the best laugh so far on Proof of Brain. This whole thread is gold and I wish I could upvote every comment, but payout was yesterday!
I am glad you enjoy it.
Got me a lot of hate in these weeks, a downvote, a delegation I didn't know about that went undelegated, and some Hive friends closer on Discord.
Who took their delegation back?
You do post a lot, but at the same time, there is worse offenders. The Twitter campaign people are really cringe but at the same time it'd helping onboarding new users so I give them a pass.
You seem to have good intentions so far.
I do have good intentions. I am used to forming groups, getting people in, I have a few on Facebook for about 10 years, on Quora, minds, Reddit, and a large community of students from Udemy. But I don't want to bring people in POB to get the same sh33ty experience I did.
The story is long and I won't get into it. I am sick and I don't value POB or blockchain further than the energy I have put in already. So I won't be engaging in further polemics. People like to play with a 1/4 of a phrase and twist it as they please. There is something fishy in here and I will let them do their game: my last words are here for them: https://ecency.com/hive-150329/@regenerette/hive-blockchain-issues-shame-proofofbrainio-pob-facts-on-delegation-and-mechanics
I sense that your upset about something?
You never addressed my question though.
Thanks.
It's quite the answer.
You seem to connect with the word 'charlatan' personally - while my text was expressed in a general context not in a personal one.
*** excerpt from my post...And I hate to see people being 'taken in' by charlatans.***
....Unless your comprehension of English and the rules of plurals are vastly different for you, but charlatans is a plural. The ...s...gives it away... (you studied linguistics, correct?)
....Unless you have multiple identities, you cannot be plural.
So why take it so personally, more interestingly...
It triggered an emotion residing within you already - I didn't create it.
I also noted that you felt the need to express the 'appeal to authority' card with the jpeg, and lists..
'..And quite often, it's also finished off with an appeal to authority as if that gives more (not less) credence to their position'.
... I mentioned in my post (excerpt above), that this as one of the things to look out for in individual who is aware of , or insecure about, their own weak intellectual position).
Why do you find my logical questions to you , aggressive?
You find logic aggressive in some way - (a threat?)
The upset that you express (the emotions are part of the truth telling heart expressions, using your own parlance, I believe.) comes from where?
Is this is an expression the heart/mind dichotomy that you talk of?
Does your intellect not listen to 'the hearts voice' (using your own parlance)?
If not, then it would appear that you don't actually adhere to your own 'wisdom'.
I'd like to ask you where am I wrong in this appraisal, as I would value your input to move the discussion forwards - but I'm afraid that it looks to me that you seem to be in a head space that doesn't allow for genuine authentic intercourse, and the opportunity to grow.
A shame.
An opportunity missed. (in more ways than you realize).
I look forward to reading your next post.
(And I really hope that we can laugh about this at some point in the future).
Christ your text tone is a sour blend of neckbeard and creepy af.
Is the use of different text sizes supposed to be indicative of multiple personalities being expressed or varying levels / tones of your own inner dialogue? Stating obvious shit like humans are hypocrites and demanding feedback of your critiques is either some delicious delusions of grandeur or some of the dark triad in the flavour of narcissism being exhibited..
Narcissism is fine or whatever but the very least you could do is try to bait an opponent of similar disposition of yourself rather than trying to engorge your mind meat with this fixation you've got going on with my buddy.
Aggression is warranted when faced with opposition that, for lack of a better term, falling short of the required threshold on the scale of social retardation to be able to pick up on obvious social cues being given off by the individual they are being "friendly" with... A user whose clearly inferring no want to address nor continue conversing with her harassers. Good way to find yourself at the top of a shitlist in most communities and here is no different.
Debate like gentlemen or what have you.. but also learn to disengage when called on to do so, regardless of the asker or if your own intellectual or attention seeking itch has been scratched.. It's no longer a debate if you're just shitposting your opinions or libel targeted at someone after they've conveyed they no longer wish to engage with you..
It becomes abuse at that point and is easily elevated into realms where the perpetrators of said abuse begin getting painted from all sorts of angles with green lights, flag automation and laser or some shit. :)
There was neither shit posting nor libel.
It was a breakdown of things to look for in behaviors of people who are disingenuous.
The specifics of 'clues to look for' are not my ideas - they are well known markers - out there in the wider world of psychology.
There is no narcissism involved. Over, covert, malignant or otherwise.
I have no fixation on anyone - only weak ideas.
(Ideas come out of people).
I asked a simple, logical question - the tirade was not from me.
You cannot abuse ideas, they have no sentience - and my entire perspective is taking apart ideas, not people.
Ever.
By fixating on weak ideas you ultimately end up eliciting responses from individuals then use whatever cracker jack psyche training you've got to further lead them into your proprietary blend of trolling and attention farming.. lol
You can entirely abuse and corrupt ideas or apply trap logic into a conversation to shape the outcome or flow of an encounter with people. I've been doing it damn near every response on this gongshow of a thread seemingly without notice I guess. :P
Nah, you're way off the mark with your assessment (and my motivations).
Trap logic?
These outlines of 'what to look out for' are well known.
There is nothing new here.
Trap logic is in the same family as mind worms or other predatory psychological warfare doctrine.. nasty fucking shit when deployed by a proper sociopath or psychopath but sadly I score far to highly in empathy to properly apply it to people without guilt. D:
It may surprise you to know that I rate very low in the empathy ratings...(out of the standard 5 q's, for NPD).
I have half finished book - 'caging the 4', which brings together block chain technology and ways to expose the psychopath to prevent the games that they play. (and sociopaths as they mature ..)..One day, I'll finish it.
Most - if not all- of predatory psychological warfare relies on deception to some degree.(even when 'telling the truth' is part of the manipulation).
Ergo, the opposite strategy of 'everything being out in the open', helps to counter this.
'They' only succeed, in darkness.
How thicc is your dark triad score? I'm highly leaned towards it but have too soft a demeanor with people I value, which is less than a handful of people as the species is for the most part trash.
used to think it spawned from self hatred but as I grew older I realized it wasn't projection but rather observation of the species that pushed me towards "anti-social" ways of being and ultimately discarding normal society in favour of a digital presence.
Good and Bad boil down to human perception and our habit to seek balance or duality and/ or reason in the world around us is heavily skewed by this search for societally constructed norms. What is bad for one may be good for another.. Majority however seem to agree that harming people on purpose is frowned upon.. But for a sadist it's a hell of a good time.
Personally a sadomasochist with a dash of nihilism and a god complex due to my INTP personality.. Stupid enough to not perform well in normal society but smart enough to exist without the traditional infrustructure such as banking or credit like most humans run on within their government backed tax farms.
Enough about me though. What personality defects of your own do you cherish?
I don't frame personality traits as defects.
The DSM has a lot to answer for, imo.
Deconstructionism all to aid the profits of big pharma, is not a valid ethical stance (Or conducive, long term, to any deeper understanding of the psyche).
I cherish my ability to cut through the crap - irrespective of societal/cultural pressures or norms. ...(a 'talent' passed down from my dad).
What I gathered from my foray into psychology that a lot of it was straight up coke head logic by ole Freud. Still haven't convinced myself psychology is an actual science, part of me thinks its the equivalent of bird watching but with the psyche of the hairless ape being the focal point.
Being able to cut the crap is good, but enforcing the train of thought that you're somehow gifted at detecting bullshit might end up in you either perceiving askew or going full dunning krueger when it actually comes time to be decisive over true bullshit. :D
I think the Freudian/Jungian generalizations hold more merit than the modern psychological approach, tbh.
Still haven't convinced myself psychology is an actual science,
because it isn't? lol...
Being able to cut the crap is good, but enforcing the train of thought that you're somehow gifted at detecting bullshit might end up in you either perceiving askew or going full dunning krueger when it actually comes time to be decisive over true bullshit.
Bullshit, is bullshit.
I'm not egotistical (in the modern pop culture sense sense), about it.
I have no problem being wrong.
I don't see the relevance of a five fingered serial killer in a movie, as part of this conversation. (there are very few people I would put this sentence to - and expect the irony to be comprehended.)
Bullshit may be bullshit.. But it might also be malicious or detrimental mental payloads intended to manipulate an individual into going into their bullshit detection routine which leads them down predictable and persuadable pathways.
Not saying everyone out there is manipulating everyone with every word.. But they call it spelling for a reason and our ability to quickly share information or phrase over vast distances thanks to taming lightning isn't something many truly take the time to appreciate.
All this makes me miss the old IRC days to be honest.
Indeed.
The time element of decision making - or the time taken involved in the making of decisions, rather - is of a great detriment to society (imo).
I just want to say that "criticizing something" is not an attack. I really hope you put your heart aside and read this entire exchange between you and @lucylin with a clear mind (please, not at 5 in the morning). There is nothing more beautiful than the exchange of ideas even if they are in different positions (this is something that in the world today is almost impossible to do). It is what makes us see our successes and mistakes and therefore improve. I'm really sorry for everything you're going through but I don't think that makes you have any more reason or not in your points of view and I don't think you should feel hurt on the contrary. Despite that, in your writings I have seen the will to live that you have and that is what led me to follow you without knowing your sufferings. We all have a "cross" to carry in life, but we better not use it as a banner of struggle.
And as @lucylin says at the end of his last comment
Thank you so much for your kindness and understanding of both sides.
I wish I had enough energy for any life situation.
I'm sure that with flexibility and understanding from both sides, one day, I and @lucylin might meet in a better situation and discuss and laugh and relax.
I am talking to people from Hive sometimes on discord or over the phone and we change ideas, practical ones, or just for the sake of changing ideas.
@lucylin or anybody else that needs me or wants to simply talk to me, let me know so I can give you my contacts. I made some friends around, that kept me positive when I was down or scared about pain/doctors' words and I hold them close not for voting each other but because they got into my heart.
Today, I was thinking I have so much to bring to this community and I might not have time or energy, force to answer each question...then what will I do? People will get upset... I still don't know if I should be posting here again or not.
In this end, I want to say this: I didn't feel offended. I was offended. I can easily turn the page and be glad to have a new friend in Hive. I don't need advantages out of it, but I will not deny that I am so grateful for each positive encouragement I got from my friends when I was so scared or in bad pains and came by...here, on discord, on Twitter. It kept me moving from the bed to the toilet with more power. I know it might sound funny to you, but it requires effort.
I am opened to understanding each other, our reactions, time frames, energy, and the fact that we do not have to agree with each article we write. Anyone has an opinion and can express it. If it's bulshit for others, that ok, if it's gold for other people, that's a gift I have offered.
I am sending you: love, to all of you. Believe it or not, I can send it for free and with my open heart.
@lucylin, you don't have to love me back. I'm just hoping that you know that I cannot engage as much as you'd wish. At the phone, I can talk for hours. In Hive, I struggle to offer large responses or to write large articles, because the cervical hernia and spine nerve are both sending pain in the fingers and arms.
@juanmiguelsalas, thank you for opening my heart
Your more than welcome to tag my stupidity. even though that sure hasn't stopped you before. I aim to improve me. I can't help others if I haven't been helped to be up to par in mental/heart health etc. I enjoy reading your material. Wish the guys I associated with in prison could enjoy the same.
guilty. I have had it done before. I overlook some word or misread a sentence. The lack of having gone through the same experiences can backfire. I have had it happen.
I have done this too depending on topics. But lately I have been swallowing that pride and just letting it go. It's not healthy for anyone to keep a specific (ego) mask longer than necessary. Our very being constructs new masks that must be filtered out. Some are very sticky and hard to remove do to abuse and social conditioning. I try to stay away from big groups like one finds in partying. I prefer one on one interactions and in private. or had preferred. I still enjoy my solitude. Lonely I get sometimes but I also have pets and that helps too.
If a mask is showing, please be sure to point it out so that it can be removed. I get stage fright sometimes. maybe that's also why I don't like big social groups?
I have been saying that no one person can be 100% understood till one lives their life. We can attempt to understand ourself and go about it that way. Still learning.
Letting go of deeply embedded indoctrination is a bitch though, especially when alone. Then comes Hive. A network roots by open minded individuals. I have truly learned a lot here from observation of many users. The question is how to go about organizing what I have learned and expressing it. I get that stage fright. That fear of "what if I fuck up and get rejected" The ego is already setting me up for falling off stage.
We fall off the stage, climb back up, look at the audience and laugh our asses off, and then we get to use that most famous phrase of "Is there a Doctor in the house?" as blood drips out of the wound over our eye and the bone poking out of our forearm cause the squeamish to back away and the gore hunters to close in.
what about those that fell off and cracked their heads open on that one heal on the floor laid upside down with the heel up, all of which due to the mass massacre of laughter that happened to the prior one that fell and didn't get hurt as bad?
Well they become a zombie rise up and go after the closest laugher at them, then you get to sit on stage watching the audience run and scream and cry in utter fear as they trample over each other and ignore each others pleas for help.
I think I would run for the sprinklers and turn them off. causing more panic and bloodshed. assuming the zombie doesn't get me first.
which of our three eyes?
It would be the one in the back of the head, that is always the first one to lose it's ability to see.
It's funny how people take the dissection of ideas as a personal attack...(rather than an opportunity to grow through push back and debate...)
I never ceases to surprise me - the amount of children, inhabiting adult bodies.
what does the body have to do with being mature minded? I have met some wise children. I would say they are ancients in childish bodies. and we still have these childish bodies.
I'm probably already misunderstanding something.
What has disintegrated my reality and personal ideas was my DMT experiences after having gone through my death ritual. "Ayahuasca Ceremony" 3 years ago during winter before Christmas.
I wanted to die badly. I knew that the ego was all that had to go. So I went. I took 4 drinks of that tea in total. The first one everyone took. The second round to come to me was 20 to 30 minutes after. I didn't feel anything. I took my third and by that time. one hour had felt like it had passed. And I already begun to feel as if I was part of a tree. the whole tree. the flowers on the tops. the greens. I felt like everyone in the room was interconnected in a different light. then my reality began to slightly distort but I could still see where I had left off.
I hadn't gotten enough. I wanted more. I went for the fourth and by this time, theh had run out. there was simply too many people that time. otherwise I could have had more if I wanted. I didn't vomit nor had the runs as some did right away.
I laid in the spot of my choosing. I tried to close my eyes. the shaman was chanting beautiful songs. The violin was playing to add to the mix. along with the shamans musical tools. I couldn't tell you off the top of my head what they were called. The regular get up you could say.
Then it happened. I felt this pressure from my chest suddenly rise out of me. I felt like I could breathe. I felt like I could behave like I wanted. I felt free. I then after, when tthe sun was rising, took turn along with everyone else, spoke what they each wanted to say. We each expressed our last experiences and ideas. the event was Audio recorded. I didn't care to get a copy. I just wanted to walk around the city till my legs gave under my own weight.
And boy did I. I walked from city to city. gave 5k pesos away to some people washing cars. said merry xmas. blah blah. I went to go out to eat. I basically had a me day.
I ponder till this day aince that event about my own reality. It has helped me open my mind more to more possibilities on what we are experiencing at each moment. Life is definitely dream like.
Well, there is two sides to this.
Einstein vs Tesla.
I can tear apart the theories of Einstein. I have an answer to every rebuttal.
Because all of it is known. It is written out.
However, since it is written out, most people walk away still believing in the fraud that is Einstein.
But with Tesla, i have to start talking in words that aren't know. In fact, many of the things Electric Universe model people work with do not have a name. We know the force, we know the actions and reactions, but we do not have a solid name. And thus, we cannot bring up "facts" to any of our conversations.
We can't explain it to a five year old, we are having trouble explaining it to ourselves.
And although truth seems to be on our side, history is currently on the side of Einstein.
I've seen some of the videos on it, the electric and plasma charged universe and the sculpting of planets, the few I have seen were pretty interesting.
That was a pretty fun read, I guess you hit a nerve on someone. The comments were really enjoyable also, it is fun seeing people dissect and cherry pick the various ideas you present and then try to justify their actions, or that you caused them to react in a certain way. My favorite complaint was the 5 am part.
It's the block chain, it's not like comments are going to go away unless they delete them, then you can still find them if you want. Go to bed, get some sleep, pick-up where you left off when you can think more clearly.
I mean I may have stayed awake later than I want to because of a game, but because some one asked me a question? it can always be answered in the morning or later. After all it is my time, not theirs/yours, I surrender it to no one on line, I am forced to waste time often enough in walking life to surrender my on-line time and my especially my sleep time to answer a question that can wait til I am thinking more clearly is not going to happen.
Nerves are like 'flak, and targets..'.
The funny thing is...this post is far more generic than specific.
I used this opportunity to place a marker of sorts.
These are the well known tools to use to dissect weak positions.
(Dissecting weak positions is how you eventually get to stronger positions).
Observable actions to watch out for (to indicate weakness of ideas) are the point (imo).
I was just warming up...Just wait....'The marker ' can be used as a reference when I start to dissemble much bigger accounts.
Imagine a place based on 'community' - a community so weak it has epileptic fits if truth and logic are used.
('community', or 'insane asylum?' lol)
One of the phrases I dis-like is "Do your own research!", if they are not going to tell you where the information was from or what their source was, then it is pretty much a cop-out because they did not do the research and want someone else to do it for them. I have not seen much of that on Hive yet, but as more and more disenfranchised Youtubers and FB user pop onto Hive I am sure I will be seeing that more often.
!ENGAGE 15
It was a fun post and comment stream to read. Uhmm BTW you weren't talking about me were you? Joke, It is easy for people to see themselves in post like the ones you make, paranoia all of us at times suffer from it. You were nice you mentioned a few names, but not the specific post because it did not seem like a response to a specific post, when it is you almost always mention the post.
Sometime Generic is hard for people to understand. I like that word dissemble, I think it was because of that move with 5 is alive robot/ai, I can't even remember the movie title and am to lazy right now to look it up, and now like 5 is a live would say, "More Input", ready for the next disassembly.
ENGAGEtoday.lol, Pestering the opposite sex especially when the person in question is way the fuck out your league is a hell of a way to bring down a monsoon of butthurt upon yourself. How about instead of being some ultra level 300 IQ 1337 psyche boy trying to flex some absurd form of obsession on a newer female user, you spend your time in a more lucrative manner, or go fuck your hand or something for christ sake.. Almost guarantee that you'll have basically all but forgotten about this after a quick fap and a sandwich. :D
The whole "deserve respect" rant is cute I guess. It's a concept hard earned not immediately delegated, unless you're someone with a personality disorder of sorts, which is fine in all honesty and would explain this shit a bit more.. Even then don't let characters on teh internet pretend that the entity typing isn't putting on a face to attempt to exploit human nature for profit. or something.
Going on about how intellegent you are while referencing other people in a negative connotation or inferring you're somehow a greater being is fucking hilarious. Some serious small dick energy going on when a man results to that sort of shit.
Anyways, Stop being a dink to my friend or I'll send bloodhounds or cubans or something (probably just erotic art tbh)
Upvoted because funny drama. Also: Yes. As a silent observer of this malarkey, that needed to be said, at some point, sooner than later.
To be frank, when a girl out of my league gives me the mating signal I swing for the fences.
If you woke up in a dream, standing at the bat in an MLB game, are you telling me you would just go lucid and ruin all the fun in the unknown outcome of your attempt at success?
LOL. God damn this comment made me laugh and consider my response... Which is same as yours.. Lucky for me few if any exist in a league above myself. :P
Us Canadians have MASSIVE EGOS lol
We live in a place the fucking AIR can kill us half the year..
And that isn't the only Massive thing we're rockin! XD
So. This is the proof of brain tribe. Interesting.
What's really interesting, is the response from a post about the behaviors of the evasive/disingenuous - that are all very well known, and documented.
Do people not read anymore ? lol
The response was many things. I read. Your words don't speak well when you write. Scattered thoughts. Emotions where they shouldn't be. Reads like a dictator's speech. I'm only critiquing the writing. Not you or what was said. Just that superficial nonsense stuff, that matters only in literature, usually. I expected at some point someone would come to tell you off. It happens. He's funny. You deserve it. He means well. I see the honesty behind his words. There's something there for you to learn from.
So I visited POB and saw this 'Trending' and didn't think it was very smart. But I think 'Proof of Brain' was more about offering a platform free of bots with more human interaction. Not so much about human intelligence competition. I could be wrong. Did not read the memo. Not sure what this place values.
Yeah, my writing is shite, I agree.
POB is not human intelligence competition. I like silly and crazy to.
What's interesting is the storm that it's created, by talking about logic and well known psychological markers to look for, when trying to disseminate 'faux' from 'the legit'.
The writing can improve. That helps with the delivery. This does look like a bit of a smear. Could probably get the same point across without mentioning a name. Though that doesn't always work. I recently added a zinger to one of my posts, speaking in general, without mentioning names. There were quite a few who fit the profile. One showed up and thought I was talking about them, started yelling at me. Ratted himself out. Pissed right off for talking about him. Even came armed with a quote meant to prove me wrong that helped proved me right. "Pretending to be a professional investor on the trending page all while thinking content is worthless," Is what I said. I can think of a lot of names and lot of conversations I've had over the years that would all fit. Next time I'll leave that line out completely...
I guess the moral of the story is: Shit storms happen, regardless.
It's worth mentioning, these new Tribes don't work out well if it's just a bunch of drama and infighting. As a consumer of this product, and potential buyer, I want real content. This was my second time browsing. The first time I had to come over and address a troll taking shots at me, on the POB trending page.
So I'm a bit grouchy about this place. And the filler content about POB token this and POB token that, Tribe good, cheerleader posts. Blah.
My writing may be shite - but my strategic thinking skills are not, can assure you.
There is a reason for this post , far beyond this post.
If you dissect an idea without naming names - accounts - is asinine.
Quoting as a source - as a reference to your work - is the same thing , and would be remiss to not do in context of a logic and philosophy).
I wouldn't 'dis' Nietzsche work without referring to his arguments. (finding holes in Nietzsche work, is seemingly beyond my intellectual pay grade).
I've been frustrated for four years on hive - watching low IQ idiocy reign - all in the guise of 'intelligence'.
You be you.
This stems from a day some charlatan tried to sell some kind of strange powder you're supposed to eat, and once digested, was supposed to cure people, of anything. His post was boosted to the top of trending, without any indication the slot was paid for with bots, creating the illusion of a 'popular' post. So I just did a parody. Everyone knew what I was talking about (except for spaced out Sunlit who was still pouting that day).
I was frustrated that day. Converted it into laughs. If I see what I think is stupid, I take that as a challenge to be even stupider.
Good times.
Oh, I agree - humor is an excellent vehicle in which to deliver the message. (depending on who's listening).
It's no coincidence that a sense of humor is noticeably lacking in, shall we say - certain parts of the IQ demographic.
There's very good reasoning behind as to why this is the case.
I know what you mean.
You know he ended up being a real asshole. He was funny at first but if you used humor back...well I'll tell yeah, I have no idea how he produced humor because he sure lacks it. He'd get mean, ugly and offended. As usual his so called parody lacked any reference as such from him or the comments, the whole article reeked of his what became his same usual mundane stuff, like he was suffering brain drain, or definitely was fresh off ideas. He wouldn't cause me to go off pouting anyplace, not with his demeanor, anyone would be glad to take a hike. Now if Taz talked to me like that, as he tends to be a bit straight laced when it comes to humor, when I happen to go over and poke a bit of fun with him, then I'd probably go off and pout.....that's because he's gained my respect, but he at least tries to understand where I am coming from and it was just a bit of humor, plus he never seems to come up empty with interesting stuff to talk about. Not that I read all his stuff but he once in awhile will post something that critiques my interest.
Now that you've insulted me I am not going to go off and pout but I will go off being offended. I don't hold close to your intellectual intellect but humor transcends intellect. Maybe I'll be back once I am not offended anymore but I doubt it.
Oh Luce, you've really got some drama going on now! I need to get some popcorn and come back to the show. 🤣
Emotionally led , low IQ retards, who have too much power - it all looks very ugly for the platform, doesn't it?
They must really loathe themselves.
I came in late. What's happening guys?
Looks around
Have fun! I'll be over there.