VSC: What Does HIVE Look Like With $200M Wrapped?

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The announcement of Bitcoin wrapping on VSC along with the demonstration was an enormous breakthrough. We are looking at a few more months and we will likely have something that is in operation. Testing is starting as well as other aspects of the system being built out.

There is a reason why this is one of the most anticipated rollouts related to Hive. As I dig into it deeper, the impact could be enormous.

In this article we will delve into the specifics that affect Hive along with doing some game theory with numbers.

What does HIVE look like in a year if there is $200 Million wrapped on VSC?


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Multiple Coins

In the last article on VSC, it was mentioned that multiple coins can go on this system. It is one of the differences from Lightning Network which is Bitcoin only.

With VSC, we are talking about wrapped Bitcoin. From there, it is easy to add Litecoin, DOGE, and BCash since they are forks of that chain. The code is basically the same, meaning we can be dealing in a number of coins in relatively short order.

Multiple coins equates to great potential for activity. This means the [float that can be accessed and wrapped is larger.

Centralized Exchanges Encountering Issues

FTX went down. Binance is facing many headwinds. CZ is looking at jail. The company left the United States along with a number of other countries.

The world of centralized exchanges is suffering right now. This is the perfect opportunity for another network to step up. Could VSC be that? We will have to see how it unfolds.

However, we can expect a great deal of uncertainty surrounding the CEX over the next 18 months. With elections taking place in many parts of the world, the political landscape is in flux. Thus, people like Gary Gensler can keep causing carnage without much pushback.

Here is where an opportunity exists. By developing around the governments, i.e decentralization, we can end up creating something that operates without regard for what they think or do. That is the defense. The banks provided this decades ago.

HBD: The Driving Force

The impact of this network on Hive centers on the Hive Backed Dollar (HBD). Since this is a collateralized system, any node that is wrapping Bitcoin will need to have 2x that amount in collateral. Presuming this is posted solely in HBD (at least for the sake of this article), we can see how this has an impact.

What we have is essentially a system where more HBD is required to be posted as more coins are wrapped. If someone wants to move $50K of BTC over, an associated amount has to be on a node.

Here is where the numbers can get insane.

To provide a simple backdrop, there are billions of dollars out there as a target.

For example, Binance, back in April, had near 700K BTC on its exchange. This is worth around $28 billion. WBTC has over $6 billion. The market capitalization of DOGE is $12 billion with Litecoin coming in at $7 billion.

The point is that we are talking about an enormous market. Hence, when looking at $200 million, we are talking about a very small part of the overall.

For the sake of our discussion, this is the number we will focus upon.

HIVE Market Capitalization

When we look at the dynamics of this system, we can easily see how it all compounds upon itself.

By starting with the $200 million figure, if this is pulled into the system over the first year after release, we are looking at 400 million HBD posted as collateral. This alone is a stunning amount and is more than triple the present HIVE market capitalization.

Think about that for a second: we are talking about needing 3 times to the total market cap of HIVE just in HBD as collateral.

According to the block explorer, there are 33 million HBD in total circulation. This floating supply is actually less as 22 million are locked up in the Hive.fund account. This means there are only 11 million HBD on the market.

That is a long way from 400 million. So where are the rest going to come from? The answer is HIVE will have to be converted to HBD.

Do you see where this is going?

This is not, however, the end of the story.

With Hive, the amount of HBD cannot be equal to the market cap of HIVE. In fact, it is capped at 30% before the haircut rule takes effect. That means the creation of 400 million HBD equates to a market cap of around $1.35 billion. That is 10 times the price of Hive now.

This one network could 10x the value of Hive if it can pull in $200 million in coins.

Time Vaults

There is another piece to this puzzle.

Our tendency is to look at things in isolation. VSC is being built. That said, over the last couple years we discussed the Hive Financial Network. One of the fundamental components to that is time vaults and Hive bonds.

What we are discussing with VSC regarding HBD only pertains to collateral. This has nothing to do with the vaults.

So, what happens if we have VSC wrapping BTC and other forked coins (and possibly the EVMs) in conjunction with time vaults? Could we see the rates set at a level to attract capital, placing it on chain in the vaults?

This is easily the case, especially if VSC is drawing in people with its ability to transfer Bitcoin with minimal fees.

There is no reason this cannot hit another $25M-$50M. As people become aware of the services offered, some of the money will flow into the vaults.

Here we see the numbers increase again.

Staking HBD

Another potentiality is that HBD could be staked on VSC in lieu of transaction fees. This could be tied to the savings plan, using the inflation to incentivize the node operators.

Here is where inflation is being used to stimulate economic activity. Using a system similar to Hive's resource credits, those who stake HBD can then operate in a fee-less manner.

How much HBD could be added to our numbers there?

Liquid HBD

There is one final piece to mention.

We are seeing some success in countries such as Venezuela where HBD is being accepted as a medium of exchange. This is likely to keep growing as more local currencies encounter issues.

When businesses start to accept HBD as payment for real world goods and services, people have incentive to hold it in their wallet. Liquid HBD can actually rival that of the collateral posted to VSC if enough economic activity is tied to it.

This is a number that could easily top $100 million and not even be significant in terms of the global medium exchange system.

In Conclusion

Here is why many are calling HBD "Hive's Trojan Horse". Understanding the relationship of what is being built and how this coin is at the center of everything is crucial.

A couple years ago I wrote something very simple: we are going to need a lot more HBD.

Hopefully, as we delve into what is taking place, this is evident. We laid out a scenario where around 600 million HBD might be required. This might sound like a lot but consider Tether as has 89B coin in circulation and USDC around 24B.

We are still talking a drop in the bucket.

All of this will likely unfold if VSC, as a network, can pull in $200 million out of the tens of billions in market cap of some of the largest coins. This discussion is focusing upon ones that are ranked in the top 10.

It is an enormous segment we are going after.

Here we have a path for HIVE to legitimately carry a multi-billion market cap.


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I agree the potential integration of time vaults, staking, and liquid HBD could further boost the value of Hive and HBD, as more people will become aware of the services offered by VSC.

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There are multiple paths to travel down. We will see how things unfold in 2024 and what gets added.

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Honestly, I hate centralized systems like Binance. I never got into them, but I prefer decentralized systems. The problem I have with decentralized systems is fees. Hive is fast and does not have the challenge of transaction fees, but it still does not reach the level of networks like Ether or Polygon! It still has a dry soul! I say from the point of view of smart contracts! I'm still spinning in the hive, but overall I think that Satoshi was looking to create something that is far from manipulation, but the financial system is afraid of the full realization of such an idea! They cannot accept it. Control is what they want and pursue. They always attack centralized systems to maintain their control and that's why Binance fails or FTX goes and.... Now that I think maybe Satoshi had the right to be invisible because as soon as he became visible You get involved with the controllers!!!!!

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Being visible means you have a target on you, that is for sure.

VSC seeks to keep feels low by putting very little on Hive. The scalability aims to make it efficient and able to not run up a lot of high fees like blockchains.

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One definitely thing I am sure of is the future is bright for hive blockchain

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It would be perfect if we did not need CEXs to buy and sell Hive. Swapping BTC and Hive will be a significant breakthrough.

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I think that wish will come true. In fact, my bet is that HIVE (and HBD) are banned from CEX.

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Jesus, we are talking about hive competing not only with X but with lightning network now. This is good! The best thing is that even if we remain 1/100 the sized of both of those we are already killing it as an underground alternative, not to mention the activity and price of hive will be 🤩

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I would say we are closer to an alternative to Lightning than to X. X is not going to lose users to Hive. People will switch if VSC is a much better system than Lightning. The addition of other coins would instantly separate it from that network.

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Are there any benefits to wrapped bitcoin compared to hbd, or is it just the name recognition?

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What do you mean? I am not following you question.

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like what can hive wrapped bitcoin do that HBD can’t do? I feel like HBD already fulfills the purpose of a coin meant for transactions. I understand that wrapped bitcoin might be more attractive to people who don’t know or trust hbd yet, but is there anything else it can do that hbd can’t?

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They are two different use cases. Bitcoin is not a very good medium of exchange, which HBD excels at. At the same time, BTC is great for speculation whereas HBD is not.

Wrapping BTC will allows for an on and off ramp with the Hive ecosystem. It will provide a pair to trade. Also, sending BTC over VSC is going to have much lower fees than the Bitcoin network, making it, hopefully, an attractive alternative.

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ahh I see. I am kind of stuck in the mindset of a long term investor by now. Been holding btc and hive for so long, been years since I tried to speculate on anything. I just ride the cycles now. Anyway it’s great to have bitcoin on hive 😃

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Yeah but you cant speculate on HBD. It is a stablecoin. You can use it to garner yield (as putting it in savings). However, the price appreciation isnt there.

So you are trying to equate to different asset classes. Hive and Bitcoin are more closely categorized together.

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yeah I get it. I am just commenting on how disconnected I am with the short term speculation mindset. I will just hold btc in a wallet somewhere, use hbd for exchange and power up hive, but I’m happy we have this kind of tool! We are really getting our shit together as a chain

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I mean: I get it after your last comment (can’t edit right now for some reason)

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Sounds like Hive (Bruce Banner) will become the HIVE Hulk

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There is the potential to break out. Building does eventually pay off.

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At that point wouldn’t we need hive’s price to maintain that high level? If not then cool but if yes we’d need to combat all that downwards price pressure from bloggers and curators.

Will be interesting to see how this all turns out, there are just sooooo many coins and narratives out there we need something truly special to punch through all that noise.

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I'm starting to stack $HBD I can see it being an important adoption across Crypto sector in general. Hopefully it can overtake the other stable coins. IT is completely decentralised

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People do not realize how much HBD will be required to support some of what is being developed. It is going to be remarkable.

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With the use cases VSC can bring to beautiful feeless hive, on and offchain contracts, HBD can and likely will be the logical key narrative for Hive. The more than one looks at it, the more it is going to be at the center of everything!

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"the more than one looks at it..."

LOL you were so excited to validate your last 5 years of just "looking at things.." that you didn't even correct your typos.

That's the actual problem with your "beautiful hive" though.

All you devs and projects simply haven't had the conviction to put together anything impressive for the crypto world and definitely not anything of value outside of poor parts of the world.

So I don't see VSC changing that pattern.
In fact, @vaultec (the hero dev himself) had to pull back on @edicted's high expectation post where he tried to get some enthusiasm going in the community..

Given that @lordbutterfly has done a stellar job of speaking honestly of the warts and all reality of Hive and injected some panic in and around.

Something which has created great dialogue in the community that now soberingly realizes... the ship is sailing into a damn waterfall... and rather than correct the ways.. the leaders actually want to boot off every peasant by draining the REWARDS POOL.

LOL

Anyway it was great reading that post by Lord B-Cups. So many great comments in that discussion...

Why do the GREAT HIVE DEVS and BIG STAKEHOLDERS not get involved in those discussions though?

That just doesn't make Hive look like a solid operation when it's just the peasants talking about issues.

So EYE see bigger problems ahead really.

You can try ignore reality behind your "our tech will save free speech.." and think others outside of your little bubble believe that will eventuate..

Actually again .. Lord B-Cups openly called you out on that falsehood on your last podcast... So that must be a little unsettling.

But anyway as I've said previously.. Hive projects just haven't proven themselves.. and the fact @khaleelkazi's InLimbo took out a lifeline from DHF shows that not even the ones that make sense in crypto are viable outside of the shrinking Hive bubble.

I would even wonder how many actually active users even believe in a Hive recovery really. Like many of the devs, many users are just here until money dries out.

This comment here: https://hive.blog/hive-167922/@doze/re-lordbutterfly-s55hav by @doze is so solid.

His point about expectations of VSC when the products by same team exist so without usage is something I pointed out many times over in the past.. but hey I'm sure those problems went away by the muting function (sarcasm)

Because Hive... is where the folks champion "CENSORSHIP RESISTANCE" both as the perfect BLOCKCHAIN system yet to GO MOON... and as the unicorn vision of clowns @starkerz and @theycallmedan which first began with a buggy 3Speak... (Still buggy) then with an over ambitious SPEAK NETWORK ... now morphing into an entire VIRTUAL allegedly SMART network..

So much wow!!!

The goal posts .... always move though.

Before it was just when SPK.N was done that the world will be safe... NOW THOUGH....

YOU SAY you need VSC to also be completed for the vision.

When does the bullshit end and actual tech from Hive shine?

Now I see why andarchy went his own way and didn't even see a future with Hive. Him and his project KOINOS sure is strides ahead though because he's not out to try save the world. He found a niche and pushed with work, not just with cute catch phrases.

Something you and Dan can't resist. You did after all call your white paper "light paper" ... LMAO dude you a 'light worker' or where you just feeling light headed..

Ok anyway carry on saving Earth.

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Thanks for shedding some light on this topic. It looks very promising but I still need to understand it a little better.

You can expect some questions about this on the next few Cryptomaniacs podcast :P

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We will try to answer them. We have another announcement coming up there too.

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