Rewards and Pools

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The subject of the Hive reward pool being removed is still a hot topic these days and people have different opinions about it. Some taking the pro side, and most are against the idea. Others say it's ridiculous and it just doesn't make sense to try to fix things when they are not broken. While it is just a discussion and nothing is being done to push it, the idea continues to stir arguments or debates among people.

In the recent Town Hall, for example, some came forward and voiced their strong opinions and arguments that taking the reward pool away will impact many people who depend on their rewards to put food on their tables. Most believe that users will probably do an exodus if it happens.

But before going further, what exactly is the Reward Pool?

This is a fund pool where rewards to content creators and curators come from. About 50% of the post payout goes to the author and 50% to the upvoters.¹. It's a unique reward mechanism if I may say so because it incentivizes both the stakeholders who upvote and users who create content.

According to the Whitepaper, 65% of the HIVE inflation is allocated to this pool which means the funds are not coming from anybody's pockets.


And per Dalz's latest update, the regular inflation per day is about 70k HIVE.² so initially, I thought that the amount of HIVE being added to the reward pool is fluctuating but based on the FAQ, the amount is fixed, although it didn't mention the exact number.

To me, the Reward Pool is a unique component of Hive because it gives stakeholders the power to distribute HIVE and HBD to others through their upvotes, no matter how small they may be. It's a very decentralized way to spread the token.

Anyway, some questions arose like how should the content creation be rewarded to make it more fair to the authors and the blockchain? Where should the rewards come from?

Use L2 tokens (most layer 2 apps also have their reward pools) or generate ad revenues to incentivize users, premium paywalls they say. Reward users based on the value they bring to the ecosystem etcetera. These are good ideas for sure but to date, I believe none of the Layer 2 economies (tokens) are sustainable enough to do that, except maybe, Splinterlands. Well, I'm not sure so please don't quote me on that, lol!

I think the current system where the reward pool exists to reward users through the Proof-of-Brain mechanism is working well and there is no need to remove or change it. Well, unless someone comes up with a better and solid way to incentivize creators and stakeholders, not just in theory or concept but build the infrastructure for us to test things out.

Speaking of which, I believe something's coming soon. A Testnet for the Breakaway Communities or something like that where users will be incentivized based on their activities or contributions. I heard that most social users will be rewarded more. 👀

Just my two cents :)


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I think the discussion of removing the reward pool is pointless because the so-called solution is not so sustainable in my opinion and I don't who will get the benefit by removing the reward pool. I think removing the reward pool hive may lose it's beauty and only a few people are supporting it. I knew few and so I am saying only a few😅. I will say more after learning more about it.
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Yes, most people feel the same way. Unless there is something that comes into its place and people see it works well. Thanks for sharing your few thoughts 😅

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I wouldn't have thought that this would still be in consideration. I didn't think something this delicate but impactful, impactful on millions of people would be put into question or someone wondering how necessary it is.
Either way, the whole concept of reward pool has been debatable since I joined Hive. I guess we just need to keep watching.

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Having been elsewhere (in pre-blockchain days) that offered rewards for content, I have seen what happens when such a community decides to stop paying... it's basically the precursor to a slow death.

The problem being that this community was created on the basis of offering rewrads for content... meaning that the existing user base are here with that expectation. Had the original premise been something else... "play to earn" funded by individual gaming dApps, for example, it would likely be a much smaller issue.

It's a bit like having a clothing store with a loyal following... and suddenly declaring "now we will only be selling auto parts!" It makes no SENSE.

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That's true. It's how it has been marketed to people. And like what other people say, HIVE is meant to be distributed and that's what the reward pool is doing. As some people said, the discussion is ridiculous. But it will be interesting if the people suggesting the idea will come up with a better system than what is already in place.

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Thank you for such an informative article, this information is not easy to come by as someone who is not too familiar with Hive. Articles like this help to build more informed communities.

How can I listen to the town halls ? are they on Discord ?

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You're brave wading into the discussion 😅
I think it is a bit of a daft discussion as Hive was set up to distribute HIVE to as many people as possible. If you remove the reward pool, then what is Hive? 😳
I agree Layer 2 isn't sustainable yet but also ... Layer 2 tokens are not decentralised 😮 So not quite sure how that would work any better than the base layer.

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You're brave wading into the discussion 😅

Haha, was just writing it for a quest then it struck some chord in me so I just went for it, lol!

Yes, it was designed or coded that way, for the token to get into more people and hopefully continue to be done that way. Not sure either how things would work but it's just good that none of the big stakeholders are for it.

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My theory is that people were bored and created some drama 😂

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It's probable, the bear season is has been so long, lol!

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It sounds very strange to think of removing the back bone of why we gathered in hive, think it deeply many left other things they were doing to focus on hive and the reward pool, what happens to them if this is real and eventually happens? I don't understand ooo.

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I think the people who brought out the idea were thinking ahead. But I think it's not something we have to worry about now because nothing is being done. It's just an idea being thrown around. Let's hope none of it will happen.

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From the legacy that has been laid, Hive operates based on an incentivised model of rewards for contents. I'm only afraid of what happens if the reward pool is removed. Cos humans naturally like to be rewarded for efforts. And it has helped the platform really grow.
I hope they find a better way or better still let it be.

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Yes and up until now, the model has worked well. So I think the idea to remove it will remain an idea until something better is built to replace it.

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I kept thinking about that space, I believe the reward pool is why most people are committed to Hive as they get rewards for their effort, and the reward pool makes Hive..Hive. Well, let's see what the future holds.

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I don’t think this can still work, lol
I think that is the major reason why we have people on here so removing the rewards may be quite difficult for people

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Yeah. It's just a discussion though so I think we shouldn't worry about it for now.

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Talagang pinupush nila. Pati nga volume ng Hive sa Binance bumaba. Yung Ste** nga nasa futures na ng Binance. Hinihintay ko ang Hive baka sakali.
Yung sa L2 tokens, oo nga, hirap kumita naman dun dahil ang baba ng ng value.
Pano kaya yung Breakaway communities?

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Hindi pa pinupush pero yon pinag-uusapan. Hope tataas ulit ang volume don and yes, ma-list din sa Futures.

Yung breakaway, napanood ko yung video, patterned sya sa Ecency. Every activity may points na na-eearn and don daw ata ma-babased yung rewards. More rewarded ata pag active ang user. Pwedeng i-adapt ng kahit anong frontend daw. Not sure kung paano so tingnan natin pag out nila yung testnet.

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The rewards pool are actually affecting a lot of people whether positively and negatively

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Please, tell the decision making council to allow the rewards pool in here 😀
It's one of the reasons we all are doing business here ooo!

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