I Just Briefly Tested the Leo Lite Account System. First Impressions.
After @rzc24-nftbbg's work colleague apparently had an issue creating a lite account on Leo and seeing one or more other threads on the topic of lite accounts I decided to make my own Leo lite account to test the system briefly.
In case of rzc24-nftbbg's work colleague, after an exchange of threads with RZC, I think it might be an IP protection implemented for lite accounts to prevent abuses, and since they share the same IP at work, that could explain why he wasn't able to complete the process, from what I understood.
I ended up creating a full account for his friend instead using one of my account creation tokens, since that's what they wanted.
There was someone sharing #feedback on threads that mentioned they had a lite account via Twitter for 123 days and still didn't have their private keys. Now, if the condition to get the private keys is to reach a certain amount of LEO/HBD/HP rewards on the lite account, that may not be the best user experience for the average user user onboarded with a lite account, if they need access to the Active Key.
This account has almost 1 LEO and an insignificant amount of HP.
I don't know the level of activity they are doing on Leo, but if the threshold is 5 LEO (or maybe higher) as I heard, there are two options to reach the point to get the private keys:
- a lot more time
- a lot more activity
I heard Khal said they will open source the lite account system so that other apps can use it, in which case a lite account user won't need a private posting key to be able to use the various applications that will implement this system. They will need the Active Key, though. So, maybe a way to obtain it earlier would be useful.
Now regarding my experience testing the lite account system.
It is as fast as advertised, maybe faster. In a few seconds you have it, without private keys to download or password to set. For anyone who wants to log in using their X (Twitter) account, it's a very easy process.
The limitation is that you don't have your private keys, as described above. It may be very easy at first, but later when you start discovering how powerful they are, it is a limitation.
Right after creating the lite account I was redirected to a welcome page that also had a series of options from what I could see at a brief look.
Before I was able to take a screenshot though I was redirected to the main Threads page, which I hope is not the intended behavior.
Back button on the browser didn't work, I didn't remember the URL so I didn't see how to go back to that page. If it was some action I needed to do there - because it looked like that - I shouldn't be able to pass without clicking a button, or I should be able to return from a menu option.
One of the first pages a new user would go to when joining a new (social media) platform is the profile. Being on the blockchain, it takes time for the operation to broadcast. Maybe there should be a way to let new users know that when they first join (or take profile through Leocache too, if it doesn't use it). Even if I know how Hive works, I wasn't clear after clicking to update my profile if that operation was broadcasted or not. The button looked like it was disabled. There was no notification or I missed it. I ended up pushing twice and only later on I discovered using the block explorer that the operations were broadcasted. So, maybe this part needs a little love... And many others, I'm sure... So, no pressure, lol!
That's about all I went through. I didn't thread anything, but I'm sure it works since this was probably the most tested feature.
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Thanks for this write-up. I will be referencing this. In fact, my office mate's experience is the second time I had when I used Twitter to create a Leo account. In February 2022, I created an account with a user name @rzc24arcel but I stopped using it when I realized that's it's not working as I expected. Access to keys is also very important for me. I was wondering then why I didn't have keys. I thought I missed something.
It worked for me, for the little time I used it. What I discovered are some "could be better" issues, but I didn't use the account much. Not having access to private keys is more of a problem to us who understand what private keys are and what they can be used for. New users coming from Twitter would probably appreciate the easiness of creating a new account, but later on, they will discover what private keys are good for and they will want them. And having a high threshold until releasing them can create a retention issue, even though the intention is obviously the opposite.
I already received the keys you sent on Discord. Thank you very much.
You're welcome!
my leo lite account stevehodl hasnt worked from the beginning. hopefully the team can get the issues sorted or it doesnt look like a viable way to onboard people.
Thanks for sharing. Looks like you are not alone who experienced some sort of issues. The more people use the new lite accounts the more problems will surface, which is normal with something new. Hopefully, that won't affect the onboarding and retention process.
https://twitter.com/LovingGirlHive/status/1707801977898545369
Nice sharing. Didn't know about it.
Since you already have a full Hive account, it's not as important to know, unless you want to onboard someone else easily via Twitter (but without having immediate access to the private keys).
I see. Got it!
I encountered similar issues while onboarding a friend a few months back. At first, I couldn't access the private keys to conduct other transactions such as login to other front-ends. But with some troubleshooting, I managed to click a link that downloaded the keys and reveal them. Perhaps, it needs a bit polishing or fine tuning to accommodate those who know a bit more about how things work.
So, there is an option to get your private keys earlier if you want to? Is there a link someone with a lite account can consult to follow the steps?
I revisited the Leofinance sign up page. My bad, it wasn't a lite account. Signing up through Google or Twitter(X) didn't work for me at that time. So I opted to create a Hive account instead. This was how I was able to download the keys.
Ah, ok... There was hope for people having these issues for a little while, lol.
I never used the feature but it looks like a lot of people are suffering from that same issue. I hope it receives attention from the LeoFinance team and that they start trying to fix it. Especially right now when they have an onboarding campaign because not your keys, not your crypto.
Looks like there is an option to get your keys earlier, as @takhar mentioned in his comment, I'm waiting to see if we can get a link for easier reference for those who need it.
We hope that the team will work hard on these issues and resolve them quickly and make things easier for people.
I'm sure they do and will. They always improve on the interface and listen to the feedback.
The Leo Lite sounds like a pretty good way to onboard new people into hive. There seems to be a lot of things need to be worked on though, based on your experience, and from the comments. I hope they can fix it soon, especially if it is already released to the public. But overall, I like how this is looking.
It is already publicly available, and with the onboarding campaign going on, it will be important to have a smooth experience for new users who want their private keys sooner too.
This is good. I feel there should be something like a guide that new users should follow when they first join the platform so they can be familiar with this
I think there is or will be but either it glitched for me or I should've kept using the interface to notice it.
https://twitter.com/lee19389/status/1708127853588386117
#hive #posh
This is a great development. I think I need to download the Leo lite account also so as not to be missing out on some wonderful stuff
You don't need to. I just wanted to see the experience with a lite account, but both of us have full Hive accounts and don't need lite accounts, which are limited Hive accounts (at first).
Hello @gadrian. What is the purpose of the Leo Lite site? Thank you. Barb !BBH !CTP #ctp
To quickly onboard new users from Web 2, who don't care about private keys, but just to try out the application (Leo, in this case). We, who are already on Hive with full accounts, don't need them. I just wanted to see Hive through the eyes of someone joining using this method.
Oh, OK @gadrian that sounds really cool and a good way to get others from Web 2 to Web 3!
!BBH !CTP 😊
Exactly.
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I wish there was a way to donate or even sell Account Creation Tokens. I have few with me. I want to see them used.
Yeah, there was this discussion multiple times, but looks like the answer is always "no". Maybe the answer makes sense. I could see their value going down instead of up. I don't think Blocktrades wants to leave the cost of creating a Hive account in the hands of the market because it can be an attack vector on the blockchain (by accumulating cheap tokens without having skin in the game and creating real or fake accounts, which are permanent costs for the blockchain infrastructure, and not cheap).
I can understand the attack vector. What about the ability to give active authority to a 3rd party that can exclusively make accounts when needed. I could help out some community projects to onboard users. I don't know how complex the coding part would be. These days I delegate almost all my HP to @leo.voter
Hmm, I wouldn't delegate my active authority to anyone, no matter how trustful they seem. And I wouldn't know anyone who would want such a responsibility, to handle active authorities, knowing that if they are hacked, for example, everyone who entrusted them with the active authority can be stripped of their liquid funds (at least).
What I meant was authority to "exclusively make accounts when needed". I don't know if that is possible to on HIVE. I will sign with my active key to let a trusted 3rd party to give them the ability to create accounts with the ACT in my account. Sorry for the confusion.
No problem. There is no way to selectively give an authority for some operations permitted by that authority and not for others on Hive. People already complain we have 4 private keys instead of 1. Imagine what they will say if one private key can have split permissions allowing practically sub-keys or something like that to differentiate one set of operations from another that is allowed.