Do We Really Want Passive Income?

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What is passive income? An investment or asset that produces regular income without active management on the holder's part. It shouldn't devalue in time with inflation or as you receive the income, or it doesn't function well as passive income over a long period of time.

I know everyone says they want passive income. I want it too, to be clear.

But it only takes a spirit of observation to see that many people micro-manage their investments, they are impatient.

Building a passive income requires both a long-term perspective on the investments and the ability to turn off - or at least reduce drastically - our desire to take decisions regularly on our investments that we regard as passive income.


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For example, a trader is not building a passive income by trading short-term, even if he or she makes a profit. If he uses some of that profit to invest in something long-term, that can become a passive income.

Let's take $HIVE for example, and its variant, HIVE Power (HP).

HP isn't really designed to be a passive income. Although, in the resourceful nature of our community, ways to make it more passive were created, by delegating HP for a dividend or automating curation.

HP has its passive component to it, and that is the interest paid to stakeholders. But HP really becomes valuable when it's used actively, for governance, for deciding who gets DHF funding, and for manual curation.

HBD, on the other hand, is perfectly suitable as a passive income, when added to savings. While some attention is required to the debt level and the APR offered (if it changes), and even if the HBD remains close to the peg or not, that is mostly income created on auto-pilot, with minimal attention needed.

But if, for example, you start swapping between HIVE and HBD to try to get more HBD or more HIVE. that's active micro-management, and HBD stops being a passive income.

Some people can make a very clear distinction: these are my long-term holdings and I won't touch them, and these are my play money and I give myself a free hand on what I do with them (usually risky investments or active micro-management, like day trading).

I have a different approach. I have my long-term holdings for which I generally have goals set (and some for which I don't have goals set), and I have everything else. The second category, including both liquid and non-liquid assets, can be subject to radical decisions, even if they are not fully substantiated.

For me, at this time, HBD (in savings or liquid) is the token that helps me buy more HIVE. I don't think about its passive income potential. Even if it's 20% APR. Actually, 22%, with monthly compounding.

If, for example, we would have the option to lock HBD for much longer periods (with or without bonds at the second layer), my decision process would likely be different. Add HBD to savings with a longer lock duration, as a passive income option, and with a 3-day lock for my current operations as I use it now.

Of course, we can do this ourselves, right now, by using a spreadsheet. Say you have 1,000 HBD in your savings. When you do your spreadsheet, part of that goes to long-term holding (passive income) and part of that to cash on hand. Since the entire amount is on a 3-day withdrawal period, you are the one who has to enforce the limits onto yourself.

Who knows? Maybe I'll do that in the future... But I'd rather start doing it once the bull market begins, until then, I still want to buy HIVE while it's on offer.

That, of course, means I expect to use my HP actively. Only a portion of it is slated for passive income, to build up two of my stakes: $LEO and BRO.

For BRO, I will probably stop once I reach a certain limit I have in mind, but LEO is still way behind my multi-year target. However, we need to remark that among the two, BRO is passive income, LEO is not, or not to the same degree (will be more once the ad revenue distribution begins).

And yet, LEO may become very valuable in the future. We need to actively be involved for that to happen, though. Every single stakeholder and user.

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I don't know if there is any such thing as passive income... you need to keep a close eye on all your investments from my experience! lol

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It is important to be informed about your investments, that's for sure. But if they are long-term, I wouldn't micro-manage them.

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If only many people can see the beauty of passive income

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When that can be achieved, yes, I think we can call it beautiful. :)

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Investment can be a passive income if it is invested in correct place. I also want passive income. Hahahhaha but it requires time and we wants to get this urgent.

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That's very true. Not too many people have the patience to reach and enjoy passive income.

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HBD is in my plans for the next bear market.

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My plan starts during the bull market. But I believe we are on the same page.

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The idea is that I plan on adding HBD to savings as of next bear market(2026), once I get my hands on my profits.

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I have a two-step process. A few months after the bull market is confirmed (or if the price goes above my buy area), I will stop buying HIVE with HBD and start adding the HBD I receive as author rewards to savings for a longer term. In part two, I will take some profits as the bull progresses and move them to savings.

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I like to split my tokens/investments into at least 2 (but I think that I have 3) categories... Long-term and short-term investments...

The problem is that in crypto, it's very hard to know which tokens will "survive" more than 5-6 years, which made them suitable for the long-term portfolio... So, in my personal portfolio, my only long-term investments are BTC and ETH... Even HIVE I count maybe as a mid-term investment... But, you can't add PEPE to long-term, or DOT, LTC (as I had an idea to do)... Those are tokens that are "easily" replaceable...

But, the topic is passive income... And just a few minutes ago I had a discussion about it... How people delegate HP to others to get "some" passive income, many times without knowing how much they get as of a lack of transparency... But, they are doing it just to get upvotes... Which is mixing passive and active income... We still have that old mentality of getting upvotes for doing something... even if that destroys our passive income idea...

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I'm curious, how do you keep your bitcoin? In a cold wallet on a device like Trezor or Ledger? Or wrapped and in LPs earning some interest?

I imagine you have your ETH staked. I know you mined (and maybe still do) ETH, so you probably have the 32 minimum to stake by yourself.

Interesting that you consider HIVE a mid-term investment. Maybe that's the pragmatic thing to do. Both BTC and ETH have a lot of backing, so it's unlikely something terrible would happen to them. HIVE is too small to afford this luxury.

Yeah, I get what you mean about the lack of transparency.

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I have Trezor where I keep my BTC and ETH... As I don't have enough ETH for running my personal node, I just keep my tokens on the hardware wallet... Yes, I could use some of the liquid staking protocols, but that wouldn't satisfy my personal "level of security" 😃

The thing with HIVE is a bit on a deeper level... 😃 You know that I stake HIVE regularly, promoting it, creating content about it, and I'm passionate about it... But, it is still DPOS, which isn't my favorite type of "governance" and not all whales are having a "positive view about the token"... As they are those that can "control" the token itself, I have my concerns... But, by taking action, growing my stake, and promoting the real values of HIVE to others, I work on changing that "image"... 😀

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I just keep my tokens on the hardware wallet... Yes, I could use some of the liquid staking protocols, but that wouldn't satisfy my personal "level of security" 😃

Are you concerned about the recent updates to Ledger (recovery - code that opens up the possibility of stealing your crypto from Ledger Nano X) and that Trezor might be next to implement something similar?

which isn't my favorite type of "governance"

Which is your favorite type of governance for L1 and why?

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After buying Trezor for myself, I purchased Ledger for my son (a few years ago, when they were "clean"😃)... I don't see that as I big flaw in the hardware in the way that someone can steal your funds, but more as a "privacy attack"... I don't like it and if Trezor does something similar, I will use some other hardware wallet... Everything can be hacked, it's just a matter of time...

Which is your favorite type of governance for L1 and why?

Now that you asked this, I have realized that I'm BTC maxi... 😂 One of the first comparisons between POW and POS got me hard... The fact that with POW you can't "reverse" the chain, and with POS (and DPOS) we saw that a couple of times on STEEM/HIVE... "locking" someone's funds deliberately, or by reversing the chain, isn't a nice image to see... And it kills the "safety" issues...

I know that it takes time to get some tokens well distributed and I really hope that HIVE will be in a couple of years... Now, it's not like that and the perfect example is DHF or the simple look at the HIVE rich list...

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It is a privacy attack too but with 1/3 of your backup phrase stored at any of the 3 companies, if they get hacked (or if an employee has malicious intentions), I read that with 1/3 of the backup phrase, it is much easier to brute force the whole phrase and basically take control of the funds stored on the Ledger.

On the POW versus POS, I also like POW more if it is decentralized like bitcoin. I like a DPOS like HIVE more than standard POS though. On the "reversibility" of the chain, this can be a good thing too. If there is a bug that is being exploited, being able to roll back the chain to a point before the exploit is probably a good thing. I believe Ethereum did that in the past too. What will bitcoin do in this case? Maybe that's why bitcoin doesn't evolve a lot because any change introduced a new potential bug that can be exploited.

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On the "reversibility" of the chain, this can be a good thing too. If there is a bug that is being exploited, being able to roll back the chain to a point before the exploit is probably a good thing.

That's one point of view... But, would you put millions of USD on the network where a group of people can manipulate your transaction?

With the STEEM-HIVE saga, we showed that the community can't be bought, but we showed that you can change the chain, reverse transactions, and block funds...

So, these things have 2 sides of view... btw. I wouldn't say that's something positive and NOT having that possibility makes BTC more appealing as a store of value...

Would you rather store 1M USD in BTC or on HIVE? 😃

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And yet, the same can happen on Ethereum and they are the whales' chain.

But I agree that Hive doesn't seem to have whatever is necessary to attract whales. Maybe it isn't wanted either.

To be honest, I'd better have 100 whales and a few million small and active stakeholders. And a serious middle-class.

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What i mainly observe is, actively managed passive income as you''ve mentioned.

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That is true. But too active management of passive income investments may have an adverse effect.

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I've been building what I call my Hive Multi-Stream Passive-Income Machine here pretty much as soon as I arrived on the Blockchain. Over time I've adjusted and tweaked it, and added new income streams, and it's been coming along nicely! Every day it's more functional, with an ever-increasing quantity and array of tokens coming to me. I'd say Hive is an ideal framework to create quite good passive income, if you know what you're doing! 😁🙏💚✨🤙

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That's great to hear! The only problem I see with some income streams on Hive-Engine, in particular, is their sustainability. That's why I focus more on HIVE and projects that pay HIVE dividends, or growth tokens I like how they are set up and managed, but without getting too involved.

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Thanks! Yes, I agree. That's why I diversify quite a lot, and yet I'm still pretty picky in which income projects that I get myself involved. I've been putting more focus lately on income tokens and liquidity pools that pay HIVE/SWAP.HIVE. 😁 🙏 💚 ✨ 🤙

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The dream of achieving passive income is something that I'm actively working towards. I think it's a long process that requires a well thought out plan. Within the crypto space, HBD savings is a good starting point for me. It requires little to no management.

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Yes, I'm currently working actively so that one day I may enjoy the fruits of having a decent passive income. I actually have an idea about when that one day should be and trying to get there before that time.

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Every single asset has a purpose. In a way, it's similar to how dividend tokens and growth stocks are in the stock market. I still think LEO and Hive have a ton of potential. HBD is the best passive income that exists on Hive. It's kind of hard to beat 20% returns and that is why I find it a bit tough to really know if it's worth it to buy some of the dividend tokens on Hive Engine.

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I agree. In a way, we are coming up with types of tokens in the crypto world that are similar to the ones in the stock market. As for HBD, I had a discussion with Zoltan a while back, and with both think 20% APR for HBD is giving a hard time to small dividend or even growth tokens on HE, especially on the bear market. In the bull market, they might do better than 20%, if they are well managed.

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If we want to operate within this market, it is very important that we are all knowledge about it, otherwise we will never succeed in it. The way we see it is a very good platform and now it is becoming more popular in the whole world and we can get something from delegation on a daily basis. The biggest advantage of this will be that the daily expenses of a person can come out.

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Yes, Hive is becoming a way to put food on the table in many parts of the world. Hopefully, that will drive more adoption and the strengthening of the ecosystem over time, by a continuous influx of people.

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Yeah hopefully good time coming soon.

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Thoughtful post. I appreciate your perspective. !BBH

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@gadrian! Your Content Is Awesome so I just sent 1 $BBH (Bitcoin Backed Hive) to your account on behalf of @fiberfrau. (2/5)

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Thanks, Kimberly! Appreciate your comment!

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