Another Naming Conflict: Leo AI
Remember when Meta decided to roll out their version of Twitter and call it... Threads? Of course you do! Is that still around? 🤣 Many on Leofinance (now INLEO) looked at it like a name theft. Not in legal terms for anyone who looked it up, although there were voices saying that Khal should have sued Meta for the name, but still, many didn't like the feeling. It is also a flattering side of it: someone from Meta (and X!) keeps an eye on what Khal's been building on Hive.
I wrote about it before. Someone from Facebook (then, now Meta) was hired to look into the crypto space right after our legacy chain came to life. In two years they had 50 employees in the department and started to work on Libre/Diem or whatever it was called. That project scared politicians terribly (Facebook and its currency could have become more powerful financially than any country) and they had what buttons to push in that case to kill the project before it got launched.
But these are things long gone. Where I'm going with this?
I listened to the recording of this week's INLEO AMA. One of the topics Khal was quite excited about was LeoAI, an in-house trained AI for INLEO. Currently trained with all-time threads, but after a while, long-form posts will be a basis for its training too.
Khal gave an example. He asked LeoAI, "What it thinks LEO was after reviewing November threads" and was impressed by its answer. I saw his thread a while ago, with that answer, and, indeed, it is pretty good. Let me see if I can find it again. Here it is:
I understand his excitement. Playing with an AI can be powerful. Luckily, we don't need to worry as much about these AI models yet, but at some point, we need to treat them like raising a child, and even more carefully.
Speaking about the name though, I remembered I saw LeoAI before. And here's where I saw it:
Yes, the Brave browser has its own AI and it is called... you guessed it... "Leo AI". I found out about it from @vimukthi, who I think shared one of his posts about it with me in a comment some time ago.
And here's what that is:
Screenshot from here.
The Leo team simply seems to be unlucky with names. The Threads name was taken by Meta, there is a LEO coin in the top 100 (I believe it's still top 100), which is not our $LEO, now LeoAI already exists from Brave. Well, I guess this has been a general Hive problem, for whatever reason.
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It is true that there is a LEO coin in the top 100. Good to know about LeoAI as I had little knowledge about it.
Leo AI from INLEO will be primarily a feature for premium users because it is resource-intensive. Some use cases could be very interesting.
This is my first time hearing about the LeoAI
Thank you for the information though
I don't believe it's common knowledge yet.
Ooh no wonder I’m just hearing about it
Thank you for sharing.
Interesting naming conflicts for LeoAI; hope they find a unique identity amidst the overlaps.
Yeah, I don't know if they'll search for a different one. But we seem to run into these naming issues quite often.
I believe the LeoAL is really a great development I must confess
Hive and Leo appear to be cursed, to be constantly overshadowed by other projects who do much better in value even though we here have a better product already.
Also I suspect someone (maybe Sun) is deliberately keeping Hive price suppressed while all other tokens pump. Hive is possibly the worst performing token in crypto this month during the pump. Please prove me wrong.
Remember what happened last cycle with HIVE? It felt like dying for a long time, ranging between 10 and 20 cents, then slowly grew but lagging behind bitcoin and large caps, only to reach 3+ USD at the end of the bull market. Don't underestimate HIVE. Just don't expect it to follow bitcoin or large caps right away.
As for Hive and Leo, there were probably a few bad decisions at the beginning from the branding perspective. But we work with what we have, and I think both of them started to build at least awareness in the crypto sphere, if not strong brands yet.
Many thanks for your insights into the last bull market phase and Hive tendency to lag before catching up. I'll be patient and hodl while not allowing the FOMO to unsettle me too much.
I think it is unfortunate that a lot of the names were taken or used by bigger companies, I also believe it is expected. Brave uses a lion as its logo, so Leo will have a lot of competition with related terms. The threads one could just be downright stealing, but it is difficult to fight against big corporations. Inleo's best bet seems to just become popular so it isn't so easy to steal its terms.
I didn't even remark that, but you are right.
We should get used to it. We sustain open source on Hive, which means another project with basically the same code can be created from another existing open-source one. The practice is widespread in crypto, Leo has been doing it too, so it is expected to happen the other way around as well. Name conflicts appear to be an extension of the same practice.
This is interesting. Should we though? I think if we want to be taken seriously we should protect our IP. If for example Leo really did think of Threads first and Meta stole it, Leo will be seen as the copycat instead of the originator. That might be bad for publicity in the long run, and if Leo gets bigger in the future.
Neither of them thought of Threads first. An entity holds IP for the term in the US since a few years before Leo came up with it. But it hasn't used it for social media purposes.
IP doesn't make much sense with open-source code or decentralization. Sometimes rules apply, like keeping the mention of the original coder and the same type of license, but otherwise, if someone wants IP, then the way is with proprietary code and products. Which Leo is, so far, because I don't think anything has been open-sourced from INLEO and the backend yet. But I don't think they legally protected any of the work they did and the names they chose, like corporations do. I don't know if anyone does that in the crypto space. Or if it would matter.
Ouch. I didn't realize there was already another system with the name. I guess names aren't a think with the LEO platform. The only thing is that I haven't heard about that software/company before.
It's the Brave browser. They have a lion as a logo as well, thus "Leo AI" makes sense for them too.
Yeah, both Leo and Hive chose names that are prone to naming conflicts.
It's just as well that over time when we see things being changed it's good that they bring people's interest back into the project.
Thank you for your input @gadrian on InLeo AI. Yes, Meta ripped of the Threads name from Leo Threads and that made me angry. But I don't think Meta will ever be as good as what InLeo is and what InLeo will be! InLeo will grow into something very fantastic in the near future. Barb 🌟 🌟 🌟 🌟🌟👍😀 !BBH !CTP #ctp
That's what many of us who are involved to some degree on the platform believe/bet/work on.
yes of course @gadrian !BBH !CTP